Quattro Expense
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ffdd19c$0$12210
> just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics you
> can do that, just like the new G35
Is that why Nissan has decided to produce a G35 AWD as well?
> and Audi's aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted
to point
> out.
No one in this entire thread ever claimed that they are. The point of this
thread was to determine whether an A4 quattro was any more costly to
maintain than a A4 front-trak.
> more expensive oil changes,
This has to be the funniest thing I've read in months. What does quattro
have to do with the cost of the oil change? The engine is the same, it
takes identical amount of oil and an identical oil filter. If someone told
you they're more expensive and you believed them, you only have yourself to
blame.
> and when it
> comes to replacing tires you have to buy pairs not a single tire,
Hmm... so when it's time to replace your tires, you buy just one? And wait
how long to replace the rest? I usually find myself getting 4 new tires,
regardless if it's a FWD, RWD, or AWD. Rotating helps.
> so there
> are many factors that can make the Quatt. more expensive.
You did not show any. Please try again... Actually, don't bother - you're
clueless.
Pete
it use electronics not an AWD system, if you had comprehension skills you
would see that. local oil change places charge more for 4x4 vehicles wither
it's AWD or 4x4 so that's not what I was told but was on a marquee. no I
replace them in pairs that's what most people do, I'm glad you get all 4 do
want a coke?? I did if you look at other post but it seems you
comprehension is low so it's understandable. and I would be hurt, but
you've shown me nothing to feel you calling me clueless would matter more
than spam in my inbox.
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"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ffdd19c$0$12210
> just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics you
> can do that, just like the new G35
Is that why Nissan has decided to produce a G35 AWD as well?
> and Audi's aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted
to point
> out.
No one in this entire thread ever claimed that they are. The point of this
thread was to determine whether an A4 quattro was any more costly to
maintain than a A4 front-trak.
> more expensive oil changes,
This has to be the funniest thing I've read in months. What does quattro
have to do with the cost of the oil change? The engine is the same, it
takes identical amount of oil and an identical oil filter. If someone told
you they're more expensive and you believed them, you only have yourself to
blame.
> and when it
> comes to replacing tires you have to buy pairs not a single tire,
Hmm... so when it's time to replace your tires, you buy just one? And wait
how long to replace the rest? I usually find myself getting 4 new tires,
regardless if it's a FWD, RWD, or AWD. Rotating helps.
> so there
> are many factors that can make the Quatt. more expensive.
You did not show any. Please try again... Actually, don't bother - you're
clueless.
Pete
it use electronics not an AWD system, if you had comprehension skills you
would see that. local oil change places charge more for 4x4 vehicles wither
it's AWD or 4x4 so that's not what I was told but was on a marquee. no I
replace them in pairs that's what most people do, I'm glad you get all 4 do
want a coke?? I did if you look at other post but it seems you
comprehension is low so it's understandable. and I would be hurt, but
you've shown me nothing to feel you calling me clueless would matter more
than spam in my inbox.
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee writes:
>
> >some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal
4x4s.
>
> (?) I don't know where you live, but you are either misinformed and/or
stupid.
> Oil changes here in New England cost the same, regardless what kind of a
car.
> The Quattro drive has absolutely nothing to do with an oil change.
>
> >if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a
FWD/RWD
> >car so that is a BIG extra expense.
> '
> Apparently you haven't been reading this thread, or if you have, you have
a
> reading impairment. Everyone has given testimony that Quattro never
fails. It
> is bullet proof. I rallied two different Quattros over some miserable
roads at
> speeds that would scare the hell out of you, with never a Quattro failure.
In
> fact, I have never even *heard* of Quattro failing.
>
> There is traction control that's
> >similar to AWD,
>
> I'll tell ya what, Bunky. You get in your track-sheon control car, and
I'll
> get in a beat to crap Audi Quattro, an old 130 bhp wheezer, and we'll race
on
> some ice - using the same kind of tires. At the end of the day, you'll
believe
> in Quattro.
>
> never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
> >and there will be no problem, just pointing out that all 4 have to be
> >replaced that's a large expense
>
> Rotate your tires with your front driver. Quattro drivers do too.
However,
> the skins on your front tires are going to wear a helluva lot faster than
the
> tires on a Quattro. While it is true that the rear tires of a fwd receive
less
> wear, the fronts receive twice the wear of a Q. You'll end up buying four
> tires for you fwd about the same time I'll buy four for my Qs.
>
>
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
Ohio and 4x4s, and performance vehicles cost more for oil changes. ok so 20
people giving testimonies mean it's bulletproof I doubt that, it's a manuf.
piece it will fall apart. I'll get my friends Max and will see who wins.
doubt the last part but you know all....
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> Tha Ghee writes:
>
> >some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal
4x4s.
>
> (?) I don't know where you live, but you are either misinformed and/or
stupid.
> Oil changes here in New England cost the same, regardless what kind of a
car.
> The Quattro drive has absolutely nothing to do with an oil change.
>
> >if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a
FWD/RWD
> >car so that is a BIG extra expense.
> '
> Apparently you haven't been reading this thread, or if you have, you have
a
> reading impairment. Everyone has given testimony that Quattro never
fails. It
> is bullet proof. I rallied two different Quattros over some miserable
roads at
> speeds that would scare the hell out of you, with never a Quattro failure.
In
> fact, I have never even *heard* of Quattro failing.
>
> There is traction control that's
> >similar to AWD,
>
> I'll tell ya what, Bunky. You get in your track-sheon control car, and
I'll
> get in a beat to crap Audi Quattro, an old 130 bhp wheezer, and we'll race
on
> some ice - using the same kind of tires. At the end of the day, you'll
believe
> in Quattro.
>
> never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
> >and there will be no problem, just pointing out that all 4 have to be
> >replaced that's a large expense
>
> Rotate your tires with your front driver. Quattro drivers do too.
However,
> the skins on your front tires are going to wear a helluva lot faster than
the
> tires on a Quattro. While it is true that the rear tires of a fwd receive
less
> wear, the fronts receive twice the wear of a Q. You'll end up buying four
> tires for you fwd about the same time I'll buy four for my Qs.
>
>
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
Ohio and 4x4s, and performance vehicles cost more for oil changes. ok so 20
people giving testimonies mean it's bulletproof I doubt that, it's a manuf.
piece it will fall apart. I'll get my friends Max and will see who wins.
doubt the last part but you know all....
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Re: Quattro Expense
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:52:19 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> >some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal
4x4s.
>
> Go to smarter oil change places. Problem solved.
>
> >if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a
FWD/RWD
> >car so that is a BIG extra expense.
>
> If the automatic transmission in your Yugo goes out, that'd be a HUGE
expense
> for you. The question then is: do Yugo transmissions fail?
>
> You've already been told the quattro (small q, please) system is not known
to
> fail, hence the expense of replacing it for vast majority of owners is
never
> incurred.
>
> Can you say the same thing about your Yugo?
>
> >There is traction control that's similar to AWD
>
> That statement reflects either an utter lack of understanding of what AWD
> means vs what traction control does, or it is simply an example of a
poorly
> stated point. Your pick.
>
> >never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
> >and there will be no problem
>
> You brought up tires as an issue - don't make me go back and copy your
> original post or I'll get cranky. You have since been told that tire life
may
> actually be superior with quattro.
>
> >just pointing out that all 4 have to be replaced that's a large expense
>
> No, that's not what you said. *I* pointed out that tires for a quattro are
> bought in fours. Whether a unrepairable tire can simply be replaced with a
new
> but identical tire depends on wear, which in the end isn't all that
different
> from 2WD...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
like I just posted 4x4s and performance vehicles cost more, I do my own so
it's a moot point. no a proper TCS is similar not the same but gets the
power to the wheels that need it, just like Quatt. I don't want you to get
mad, I just want to see how the tire wear is better for Quatt. I went and
looked in my maint. guide and it said all 4 tires should be changed at the
same time or damage COULD occur to the AWD system.
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:52:19 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> >some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal
4x4s.
>
> Go to smarter oil change places. Problem solved.
>
> >if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a
FWD/RWD
> >car so that is a BIG extra expense.
>
> If the automatic transmission in your Yugo goes out, that'd be a HUGE
expense
> for you. The question then is: do Yugo transmissions fail?
>
> You've already been told the quattro (small q, please) system is not known
to
> fail, hence the expense of replacing it for vast majority of owners is
never
> incurred.
>
> Can you say the same thing about your Yugo?
>
> >There is traction control that's similar to AWD
>
> That statement reflects either an utter lack of understanding of what AWD
> means vs what traction control does, or it is simply an example of a
poorly
> stated point. Your pick.
>
> >never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
> >and there will be no problem
>
> You brought up tires as an issue - don't make me go back and copy your
> original post or I'll get cranky. You have since been told that tire life
may
> actually be superior with quattro.
>
> >just pointing out that all 4 have to be replaced that's a large expense
>
> No, that's not what you said. *I* pointed out that tires for a quattro are
> bought in fours. Whether a unrepairable tire can simply be replaced with a
new
> but identical tire depends on wear, which in the end isn't all that
different
> from 2WD...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
like I just posted 4x4s and performance vehicles cost more, I do my own so
it's a moot point. no a proper TCS is similar not the same but gets the
power to the wheels that need it, just like Quatt. I don't want you to get
mad, I just want to see how the tire wear is better for Quatt. I went and
looked in my maint. guide and it said all 4 tires should be changed at the
same time or damage COULD occur to the AWD system.
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Re: Quattro Expense
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:44:38 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>not at all, I do my own oil changes but they still charge a different amount
>for any cars with no standard drives.
No, they don't.
>I've seen that it's a 3 mile difference that's more than 3-4% or is math not your strong suit.
Provide where you got your information then.
>With AWD your more likely to drive different (not cautious) in inclimate weather, so
>higher insurance, call and see what they say.
As it happens I have to speak with my agent in the morning. I'll try to
remember to ask.
>I highly doubt that buying 4 tires is the same cost as replacing two at a time, touché on the over means.
<yawn> You still don't get it.
>You showed two cars and the last time I checked Ford + Tires is not
>something to compare and I've owned almost every type of car.
Sure you have. And yet you know so little about tire wear.
>I have a 02 A6 4.2 so I know a thing or about the cost of ownership
Sure you do. And yet you don't have a clue about cost of ownership.
I'm quite content to ASSume you're the totally clueless person you appear to
be, thanks for asking.
btw, I think I hear your mommy calling...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
>not at all, I do my own oil changes but they still charge a different amount
>for any cars with no standard drives.
No, they don't.
>I've seen that it's a 3 mile difference that's more than 3-4% or is math not your strong suit.
Provide where you got your information then.
>With AWD your more likely to drive different (not cautious) in inclimate weather, so
>higher insurance, call and see what they say.
As it happens I have to speak with my agent in the morning. I'll try to
remember to ask.
>I highly doubt that buying 4 tires is the same cost as replacing two at a time, touché on the over means.
<yawn> You still don't get it.
>You showed two cars and the last time I checked Ford + Tires is not
>something to compare and I've owned almost every type of car.
Sure you have. And yet you know so little about tire wear.
>I have a 02 A6 4.2 so I know a thing or about the cost of ownership
Sure you do. And yet you don't have a clue about cost of ownership.
I'm quite content to ASSume you're the totally clueless person you appear to
be, thanks for asking.
btw, I think I hear your mommy calling...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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> > Tha Ghee writes:
> >
> > >just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics
> you
> > >can do that, just like the new G35 and not have the fuel loses, and
> Audi's
> > >aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to
point
> > >out.
> >
> > Then why all the beating-around-the-bush, twit. That is only your
> opinion.
> > Mine is that Audi Quattro is far better than any comparable rice burner.
> so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
Ah well, troll-feeding time again..
1. Audi's don't tend to have "fuel loses". In fact, I've only ever come
across one car with a leaking petrol tank - an MGB where the garage had
neglected to tighten the coupling. Easily fixed.
2. Last time I looked, Munich was not in Japan.
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in the first place. So there!
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> "Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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> > Tha Ghee writes:
> >
> > >just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics
> you
> > >can do that, just like the new G35 and not have the fuel loses, and
> Audi's
> > >aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to
point
> > >out.
> >
> > Then why all the beating-around-the-bush, twit. That is only your
> opinion.
> > Mine is that Audi Quattro is far better than any comparable rice burner.
> so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
Ah well, troll-feeding time again..
1. Audi's don't tend to have "fuel loses". In fact, I've only ever come
across one car with a leaking petrol tank - an MGB where the garage had
neglected to tighten the coupling. Easily fixed.
2. Last time I looked, Munich was not in Japan.
--
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ffe2533$0$21987
> it use electronics not an AWD system, if you had comprehension skills you
> would see that.
Yes, the FWD G35 uses electronics. But what I have been trying to tell you is that there is also an AWD version of G35 available now. Why would Nissan release an AWD version if the electronics alone could take care of everything in the FWD version? Get it?
Electronics and AWD can work together (Audis have all the electronics, too, BTW), but one cannot replace the other. Electronics can apply brakes or remove power from individual wheels. Electronics cannot send power to the rear wheels in a FWD car. Or did the people at the oil change place also tell you that it's possible?
> local oil change places charge more for 4x4 vehicles wither
> it's AWD or 4x4 so that's not what I was told but was on a marquee.
You definitely go to all the wrong oil change places. As I (and others) explained earlier, there is no basis for this.
> no I
> replace them in pairs that's what most people do,
Most people are smart enough to rotate their tires every several thousand miles so that all their tires wear evenly and last longer. And if they all wear evenly, there's no need to replace only 2 at a time. I'm sorry you haven't been able to grasp this concept, but there's never too late.
I'm glad you get all 4 do
> want a coke?? I did if you look at other post but it seems you
> comprehension is low so it's understandable. and I would be hurt, but
> you've shown me nothing to feel you calling me clueless would matter more
> than spam in my inbox.
ROTFL!!! Please refrain from giving wrong advice to others. You're entitled to have your own opinion, but please don't it - why should others suffer because of your lack of knowledge?
Pete
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Tha Ghee writes:
>Ohio and 4x4s, and performance vehicles cost more for oil changes.
Then I'd move the hell away from Ohio. I *know* they don't cost any more
anywhere else. Not in New England, PA, NC, GA, et al. Number one thing to
remember, twit, is that Quattro is NOT a 4 x 4. It is an awd, big difference.
You are easily led down the wrong paths, I'm afraid. Have you ever considered
buying a bridge. I have a wonderful one for you if you want to buy it.
ok so 20
>people giving testimonies mean it's bulletproof I doubt that, it's a manuf.
>piece it will fall apart.
Sure it will fal apart. At some point it will need maintenance. But not for
150,000 miles or so, if even then. Read my lips, twit: I have never heard of
Quattro failing, NEVER, and I've been driving them since 1985.
I'll get my friends Max and will see who wins.
Wins what? Ice racing? Come on up. The ice is thick. How about $10 for ever
1/10 of a second? Sound good? I take it Max is the fool that filled your pea
brain with all this sillyness about how bad Quattro is?
>doubt the last part but you know all....
Well, it's obvious I know a helluva lot more than you. Perhaps you too can
educate yourself. Hint: get rid of Max.
Toodles.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>Ohio and 4x4s, and performance vehicles cost more for oil changes.
Then I'd move the hell away from Ohio. I *know* they don't cost any more
anywhere else. Not in New England, PA, NC, GA, et al. Number one thing to
remember, twit, is that Quattro is NOT a 4 x 4. It is an awd, big difference.
You are easily led down the wrong paths, I'm afraid. Have you ever considered
buying a bridge. I have a wonderful one for you if you want to buy it.
ok so 20
>people giving testimonies mean it's bulletproof I doubt that, it's a manuf.
>piece it will fall apart.
Sure it will fal apart. At some point it will need maintenance. But not for
150,000 miles or so, if even then. Read my lips, twit: I have never heard of
Quattro failing, NEVER, and I've been driving them since 1985.
I'll get my friends Max and will see who wins.
Wins what? Ice racing? Come on up. The ice is thick. How about $10 for ever
1/10 of a second? Sound good? I take it Max is the fool that filled your pea
brain with all this sillyness about how bad Quattro is?
>doubt the last part but you know all....
Well, it's obvious I know a helluva lot more than you. Perhaps you too can
educate yourself. Hint: get rid of Max.
Toodles.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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Tha Ghee writes:
>so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
>
Quattro is better than any other awd system out there. I owned a BMW many
years ago. Fun to drive, but not on a rainy day and never in the winter.
Acura = Honda. Good cars, but not as good as Quattro. The same with Lexus and
Infiniti. I was thinking of buying a Lexus, and I will probably replace my
wife's Land Cruiser with an Infiniti, but I don't consider them better than
Audi Quattro.
What's Max drive? d;o)
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
>
Quattro is better than any other awd system out there. I owned a BMW many
years ago. Fun to drive, but not on a rainy day and never in the winter.
Acura = Honda. Good cars, but not as good as Quattro. The same with Lexus and
Infiniti. I was thinking of buying a Lexus, and I will probably replace my
wife's Land Cruiser with an Infiniti, but I don't consider them better than
Audi Quattro.
What's Max drive? d;o)
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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On 09 Jan 2004 13:06:25 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:
>Wins what? Ice racing? Come on up. The ice is thick. How about $10 for ever
>1/10 of a second? Sound good? I take it Max is the fool that filled your pea
>brain with all this sillyness about how bad Quattro is?
Hey Dave, despite being right, take a deep breath and take it easy
pal. Don't get fooled into a shouting contest. In the end both parties
look foolish, remember?
Regards
Wolfgang
Gruß
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wrote:
>Wins what? Ice racing? Come on up. The ice is thick. How about $10 for ever
>1/10 of a second? Sound good? I take it Max is the fool that filled your pea
>brain with all this sillyness about how bad Quattro is?
Hey Dave, despite being right, take a deep breath and take it easy
pal. Don't get fooled into a shouting contest. In the end both parties
look foolish, remember?
Regards
Wolfgang
Gruß
Wolfgang
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Mille, mattschwarz/rot '02, Das Virus
Hang-Off fährt man weil man geschützt durch den Bock, unter der
Gabelbrücke hindurch besser auf die Bleichgesichter ballern kann.
P. Renner in afm