Premature timing belt failures
#41
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
edavis@terawave.com wrote:
> past 60-70K miles..." Yeah, me too. However, my belief is that the
> cracks at Audi should have advised me 13,000 miles ago. I may be naive,
> but as a consmer I don't feel the need to research and validate what
> the manufacturer of a product tells me. I simply don't have the time to
> do this.
Just a general thing as far I am concerned: I do some research, because
it's my money and my life. Things sometimes break before their predicted
lifetime is over.
>Anyhow, I'll never buy another Audi product after this.
Well, I can fully understand you. I just don't think it's Audi specific.
But YMMV.
Wolfgang
> past 60-70K miles..." Yeah, me too. However, my belief is that the
> cracks at Audi should have advised me 13,000 miles ago. I may be naive,
> but as a consmer I don't feel the need to research and validate what
> the manufacturer of a product tells me. I simply don't have the time to
> do this.
Just a general thing as far I am concerned: I do some research, because
it's my money and my life. Things sometimes break before their predicted
lifetime is over.
>Anyhow, I'll never buy another Audi product after this.
Well, I can fully understand you. I just don't think it's Audi specific.
But YMMV.
Wolfgang
#42
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
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> Ronny wrote:
>
>> If it happened to me, I would not buy another Audi car either. The dealer
>> is resposible for all maintence on the car as scheduled by the service
>> booklet,
>
> They did, and it still failed. That's his issue. So, is it the dealers
> fault?
>
> Wolfgang
>
Did they?
All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
changed at 60k miles.
Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
booklet to accompany this.
The reason they don't, is it sells cars, if they said change the belts
(which is a big job) every 60k miles it might make you think twice about
buying the car, but saying 80k or 90/100k like my manual states, means no
big bills for while.
And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
#43
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
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> Ronny wrote:
>
>> If it happened to me, I would not buy another Audi car either. The dealer
>> is resposible for all maintence on the car as scheduled by the service
>> booklet,
>
> They did, and it still failed. That's his issue. So, is it the dealers
> fault?
>
> Wolfgang
>
Did they?
All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
changed at 60k miles.
Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
booklet to accompany this.
The reason they don't, is it sells cars, if they said change the belts
(which is a big job) every 60k miles it might make you think twice about
buying the car, but saying 80k or 90/100k like my manual states, means no
big bills for while.
And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
#44
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
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> Ronny wrote:
>
>> If it happened to me, I would not buy another Audi car either. The dealer
>> is resposible for all maintence on the car as scheduled by the service
>> booklet,
>
> They did, and it still failed. That's his issue. So, is it the dealers
> fault?
>
> Wolfgang
>
Did they?
All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
changed at 60k miles.
Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
booklet to accompany this.
The reason they don't, is it sells cars, if they said change the belts
(which is a big job) every 60k miles it might make you think twice about
buying the car, but saying 80k or 90/100k like my manual states, means no
big bills for while.
And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
#45
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
news:1134418863.272714@news...
> Ronny wrote:
>
>> If it happened to me, I would not buy another Audi car either. The dealer
>> is resposible for all maintence on the car as scheduled by the service
>> booklet,
>
> They did, and it still failed. That's his issue. So, is it the dealers
> fault?
>
> Wolfgang
>
Did they?
All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
changed at 60k miles.
Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
booklet to accompany this.
The reason they don't, is it sells cars, if they said change the belts
(which is a big job) every 60k miles it might make you think twice about
buying the car, but saying 80k or 90/100k like my manual states, means no
big bills for while.
And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
#46
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
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> edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>
>> past 60-70K miles..." Yeah, me too. However, my belief is that the
>> cracks at Audi should have advised me 13,000 miles ago. I may be naive,
>> but as a consmer I don't feel the need to research and validate what
>> the manufacturer of a product tells me. I simply don't have the time to
>> do this.
>
> Just a general thing as far I am concerned: I do some research, because
> it's my money and my life. Things sometimes break before their predicted
> lifetime is over.
>
Not everyone has access to the Internet like we have, some people don't know
what newsgroups are, some are just not interested, why should they be?
I can see what you are saying, as I agree, I always find stuff out about
cars, TV's etc before I buy them, but not everyone is like us.
It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
cover their *** and cover yours.
#47
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
news:1134419121.581493@news...
> edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>
>> past 60-70K miles..." Yeah, me too. However, my belief is that the
>> cracks at Audi should have advised me 13,000 miles ago. I may be naive,
>> but as a consmer I don't feel the need to research and validate what
>> the manufacturer of a product tells me. I simply don't have the time to
>> do this.
>
> Just a general thing as far I am concerned: I do some research, because
> it's my money and my life. Things sometimes break before their predicted
> lifetime is over.
>
Not everyone has access to the Internet like we have, some people don't know
what newsgroups are, some are just not interested, why should they be?
I can see what you are saying, as I agree, I always find stuff out about
cars, TV's etc before I buy them, but not everyone is like us.
It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
cover their *** and cover yours.
#48
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
news:1134419121.581493@news...
> edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>
>> past 60-70K miles..." Yeah, me too. However, my belief is that the
>> cracks at Audi should have advised me 13,000 miles ago. I may be naive,
>> but as a consmer I don't feel the need to research and validate what
>> the manufacturer of a product tells me. I simply don't have the time to
>> do this.
>
> Just a general thing as far I am concerned: I do some research, because
> it's my money and my life. Things sometimes break before their predicted
> lifetime is over.
>
Not everyone has access to the Internet like we have, some people don't know
what newsgroups are, some are just not interested, why should they be?
I can see what you are saying, as I agree, I always find stuff out about
cars, TV's etc before I buy them, but not everyone is like us.
It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
cover their *** and cover yours.
#49
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote in message
news:1134419121.581493@news...
> edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>
>> past 60-70K miles..." Yeah, me too. However, my belief is that the
>> cracks at Audi should have advised me 13,000 miles ago. I may be naive,
>> but as a consmer I don't feel the need to research and validate what
>> the manufacturer of a product tells me. I simply don't have the time to
>> do this.
>
> Just a general thing as far I am concerned: I do some research, because
> it's my money and my life. Things sometimes break before their predicted
> lifetime is over.
>
Not everyone has access to the Internet like we have, some people don't know
what newsgroups are, some are just not interested, why should they be?
I can see what you are saying, as I agree, I always find stuff out about
cars, TV's etc before I buy them, but not everyone is like us.
It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
cover their *** and cover yours.
#50
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang