Switchable live...
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Re: Switchable live...
Wolfgang Pawlinetz <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:11:28 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
> >Wolfgang Pawlinetz <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
> >> >is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
> >>
> >> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
> >>
> >> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> >> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> >> I saw had them.
> >>
> >> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> >> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
> >>
> >Positive, there is only one power wire, the second isn't there at all.
> >The previous (and only owner) has never fitted a radio before.
>
> Then I may make a suggestion as you have aleady the car in pieces
>
> You've found a switched wire, so you might as well slap a relay (radio
> shack?) behind the radio, route a cable from the permanent live to the
> relay IN, route a cable from the switched live from the ignition to
> the relay SWITCH and route a cable from the relay OUT to the proper
> ISO connector position. Place a fuse in the feed from the permanent
> live and you're done.
>
Cheers, quick update, your comments about the ISO switch did spur
something in my mind. I had perm live at the usual switched live
position, and nothing where the perm live should be (factory).
I've cut the wires on the Kenwood side (I'm not cutting the factory
wires) so that the perm lives goes to the required perm live, found a
suitable switched wire I'm happy with, thought I've got to have full
ignition on, put that to the correct place. All is good.
Ta for the input, I'm normally happy with wiring but, normally I'm also
used to at least dealing with one thats been screwed with a bit, so you
don't mind screwing it up a bit along the way, but this car hasn't, and
I'm trying my damndest to at least keeping it looking that way [1],
sometimes you just need a bit of secondary input.
[1] So any other changes are reversable too
--
Jon B
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<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:11:28 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
> >Wolfgang Pawlinetz <w.pawlinetz@a1.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
> >> >is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
> >>
> >> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
> >>
> >> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> >> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> >> I saw had them.
> >>
> >> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> >> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
> >>
> >Positive, there is only one power wire, the second isn't there at all.
> >The previous (and only owner) has never fitted a radio before.
>
> Then I may make a suggestion as you have aleady the car in pieces
>
> You've found a switched wire, so you might as well slap a relay (radio
> shack?) behind the radio, route a cable from the permanent live to the
> relay IN, route a cable from the switched live from the ignition to
> the relay SWITCH and route a cable from the relay OUT to the proper
> ISO connector position. Place a fuse in the feed from the permanent
> live and you're done.
>
Cheers, quick update, your comments about the ISO switch did spur
something in my mind. I had perm live at the usual switched live
position, and nothing where the perm live should be (factory).
I've cut the wires on the Kenwood side (I'm not cutting the factory
wires) so that the perm lives goes to the required perm live, found a
suitable switched wire I'm happy with, thought I've got to have full
ignition on, put that to the correct place. All is good.
Ta for the input, I'm normally happy with wiring but, normally I'm also
used to at least dealing with one thats been screwed with a bit, so you
don't mind screwing it up a bit along the way, but this car hasn't, and
I'm trying my damndest to at least keeping it looking that way [1],
sometimes you just need a bit of secondary input.
[1] So any other changes are reversable too
--
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.
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Re: Switchable live...
Wolfgang Pawlinetz wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
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Re: Switchable live...
Wolfgang Pawlinetz wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
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Re: Switchable live...
Wolfgang Pawlinetz wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
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Re: Switchable live...
Wolfgang Pawlinetz wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:08:03 +0100, black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B)
> wrote:
>
>
>>'92 Audi 80 (B4 Chassis) trying to wire in the cars first radio, there
>>is ISO plugs behind the blanking plate but no switchable live to them.
>
>
> Might sound silly, but are you absolutely sure?
>
> I mean VW's have the permanent and switched live exchanged in the ISO
> plug, that's an old porblem with them (so much for ISO). But each one
> I saw had them.
>
> Maybe a previous owner had not known that situation and, to get rid of
> the unwanted switched one, has cut it off and sealed the blank end?
>
>
[snip]
>
> AFAIK the radios anyway take the power from the permanent live. The
> switched live is just that: A sign that you want the radio to operate
>
>
> regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
wires in the harness to cater for this.
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Re: Switchable live...
Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:
> >
> Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
> right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
> though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
> wires in the harness to cater for this.
That will explain why I couldn't find switchable in my mk2 golf then
The permanent live was in the wrong place but switched was still
missing, no wire to the ISO connector at all. But as covered in the rest
of thread, found something I was happy with (though not key in ignition
stage) and connected up to it.
There were no funny smells or smoke this morning on the way to work so
so far, so good. Tomorrow the cam belts... [1]
[1] Parts 'should' be at the dealers now, booked into garage for that
one.
--
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.
> >
> Some didn't have a switched live at all. My MK2 Golf didn't. Wolfgang is
> right about the switched and permanent being swapped in the connector
> though, if the switched is present. Some newer radios have swappable
> wires in the harness to cater for this.
That will explain why I couldn't find switchable in my mk2 golf then
The permanent live was in the wrong place but switched was still
missing, no wire to the ISO connector at all. But as covered in the rest
of thread, found something I was happy with (though not key in ignition
stage) and connected up to it.
There were no funny smells or smoke this morning on the way to work so
so far, so good. Tomorrow the cam belts... [1]
[1] Parts 'should' be at the dealers now, booked into garage for that
one.
--
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.