On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:35:33 -0600, "C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadowMAPS@yahoo.com> pee'd inna snow,
the following:

X:"Dr Entropy" <entropy@meow.org> wrote in message
X:newsan.2004.01.20.22.17.29.736053@meow.org...
X:> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:46:04 +0000, Hairy One Kenobi blathered thus:
X:>
X:> > "C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadowMAPS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
X:> > news:400d66d9$0$40213$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net. ..
X:> >> "Dr Entropy" <entropy@meow.org> wrote in message
X:> >> news:so3q0056u88jnid7vd5jdc3vfopej9t8ui@4ax.com...
X:> >>
X:> >> > Most in this crowd are of the opinion Real race cars don't have
XOORS...
X:> >>
X:> >> And, since at least 1970, no NASCAR stock car has had them.
X:> >>
X:> Thereby rendering the "stock" car part a bit silly.
X:
X:I think you've misunderstood. I am one of the *last* people you'll find
X:defending NASCAR (even though I own blocks of stock in two of the
X:track-owning corporations - hey, somebody might as well be making money from
X:this redneck fascination!). I merely pointed out that, for at least a
X:generation, NASCAR's 'stock cars' have *not* had doors; therefore, while
X:they certainly don't fit *any* rational definition of "stock", they actually
X:*do* fit almost anyone's definition of "race car".

Just takin' th' ****, mate ;-} I'm a diehard open wheel kinda guy. But I'm glad you've got yer
finger inna tracks! It's an astoundingly lucrative venue (NASCAR). I would have never guessed.

X:
X:> >> OTOH, IMHO, Randy Pobst's Audi *door-slammer* really *is* a race *car*
X:> > while
X:> >> the things that the Schumacher Bros., et al. drive are little more than
X:> >> highly-developed and very expensive *karts*.
X:>
X:> Bit different: Engineering refinement, and there's a lot more right turns
X:> involved...
X:
X:You've just lost me. Or maybe I lost you before you wrote that. Are you
X:under the impression that Pobst's Audi races on ovals? That karts only race
Xn ovals? That I actually meant CART? [None of which is the case; I'm not
X:that subtle. Mikey & Ralph just graduated to bigger, faster, more expensive
X:*karts*. Not that CART or IRL cars are a lot different to me. I'm a
X:'fendered car' *road* racing fan.]

I meant as compared to "stock cars"... Audi engineers fine equipment (I hold a training cert from
Porsche-Audi ;-} and meant further that "real" racers have to negotiate left AND right turns.

X:
X:> > At least /that's/ all proper British engineering P
X:
X:Which, applied to UK production sedans up to about 10 years ago, is a
X:contradiction in terms, isn't it?

<cheek>

K. Duckworth did a production sedan?!?!

I WANT one!

(Don't bring up the 'VauxHaul' Viva, please.)

</cheek>


Dr E--
mhm 17x1

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:44:51 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> pee'd inna snow, the
following:

X:"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadowMAPS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
X:news:400e9de4$0$43849$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.ne t...
X:> "Dr Entropy" <entropy@meow.org> wrote in message
X:> newsan.2004.01.20.22.17.29.736053@meow.org...
X:> > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:46:04 +0000, Hairy One Kenobi blathered thus:
X:
X:<snip>
X:
X:> You've just lost me. Or maybe I lost you before you wrote that. Are you
X:> under the impression that Pobst's Audi races on ovals? That karts only
X:race
X:> on ovals? That I actually meant CART? [None of which is the case; I'm
X:not
X:> that subtle. Mikey & Ralph just graduated to bigger, faster, more
X:expensive
X:> *karts*. Not that CART or IRL cars are a lot different to me. I'm a
X:> 'fendered car' *road* racing fan.]
X:>
X:> > > At least /that's/ all proper British engineering P
X:>
X:> Which, applied to UK production sedans up to about 10 years ago, is a
X:> contradiction in terms, isn't it?
X:
X:You just answered the wrong person (and snipped the CART comment that made
X:it make sense!).
X:
X:The comment did, of course, refer to the British bits in a US racing series
Xthe chassis and the engine, in most cases); Cosworth (ex-Lotus), Ilmor
Xex-Cosworth, even pinched the naming convention), Lola, Reynard (now
X:defunct, I believe?) and so on. You'll probably want to add a significant
Xroportion of Rally and F1 scene to that as well..
X:
X:Oh, and let's not forget the EBC pads & discs [rotors] that I'm about to fit
X:to my Hungarian-built Audi.. ;o)
X:
X:H1K
X:

I'm caught out again.... MUST learn to read ahead.



Dr E--
mhm 17x1

Linux: Load it, Learn it, Love it.

 

"Dr Entropy" <entropy@meow.org> wrote in message
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>
> Just takin' th' ****, mate ;-} I'm a diehard open wheel kinda guy.

Yeah; I know your type ... ;^) C'mon up to Road America and see more of
them than is probably healthy - unless you're one of the fanatics who can
*afford* to literally follow F1. Personally, I have to settle for the
occasional recently-retired Ferrari that Brian French will bring out to the
track. GAWD, those things are loud! I'm kinda' glad they don't race here.
I can do plenty of hearing damage with the Can Am McLarens at the historics.

> But I'm glad you've got yer finger inna tracks!
> It's an astoundingly lucrative venue (NASCAR). I would have never guessed.

Cool thing is, it's not just NASCAR ovals. I've 'got' part of Watkins Glen,
Laguna Seca, and Sears Point as well as all the major ovals. Of course, if
you really want a 'motorhead' stock that performs halfway decently, you've
gotta go with Harley Davidson. Even when they're not selling all the bikes
they can make, the guys who already have 'em are outfitting their 'scooter
babes' in "Officially Licensed" H-D leather and Lycra. Just another way of
making a few bucks off the unwashed masses.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)