A_Newsreader

I'm looking at my next car, ideally if it exists I'd like a luxury
saloon, 4x4 IN DIESEL !!

But, it's hard choosing because basically there is no new car out
there that takes my fancy - basically I think they are all a rip off.

Anyway....

My choices are between BMW, Audi and Mercedes.

My problems are;

1) BMW - don't like the new designs (like the company values, true to
its beliefs, unlike Mercedes which is a 'produce every different type
of car under the sun').

2) Audi - heard lots of reliability issues (but do like their designs)

3) Mercedes - like the designs, like the extras options, don't like
the e-class dashboard, don't like the quality, question is am I really
buying a Mercedes or am I buying a Chrysler with a mercedes badge and
pricetag.

Or maybe I should just go for a secondhand saloon that fits the above
(saloon, 4x4, diesel) - in which case I'd probably have no choice but
to go for an Audi - again though it's the reliability issues with that
marque that I'm concerned with.

Any ideas ??

Thanks for your time.

Wolfgang Pawlinetz

On 23 Jan 2004 01:26:13 -0800, a_newsreader@yahoo.com (A_Newsreader)
wrote:

>2) Audi - heard lots of reliability issues (but do like their designs)

What reliability issues?

I'm hearing that so often in these "Which car should I buy" queries,
that I'm now asking this.

For several years now the A6 (as example) has been leading (or at
least top-ranking) the reliability statistics of the German ADAC. [1]

The ADAC counts all events in which their support had to repair
defects on cars and/or their road support had to tow the car.

Audis are considered pretty reliable cars here, so I'd really wonder
where that impression comes from?

Regards

Wolfgang

x-post removed.


[1]
2000: http://www.fahrschule.de/Auto/20010427.html
2001: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A67552927
2002: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14542927
25 years: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S63522927
(Figures are the number of top positions in the last 25 years;
'Gewinner' = Winner; 'Verlierer' = Losers)

Ronny

"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On 23 Jan 2004 01:26:13 -0800, a_newsreader@yahoo.com (A_Newsreader)
> wrote:
>
> >2) Audi - heard lots of reliability issues (but do like their designs)
>
> What reliability issues?
>
> I'm hearing that so often in these "Which car should I buy" queries,
> that I'm now asking this.
>
> For several years now the A6 (as example) has been leading (or at
> least top-ranking) the reliability statistics of the German ADAC. [1]
>
> The ADAC counts all events in which their support had to repair
> defects on cars and/or their road support had to tow the car.
>
> Audis are considered pretty reliable cars here, so I'd really wonder
> where that impression comes from?
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> x-post removed.
>
>
> [1]
> 2000: http://www.fahrschule.de/Auto/20010427.html
> 2001: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A67552927
> 2002: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14542927
> 25 years: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S63522927
> (Figures are the number of top positions in the last 25 years;
> 'Gewinner' = Winner; 'Verlierer' = Losers)
>
>

Loads of people keep asking if Audis's are unrealiable, but ask any owners
in here if there cars are unreliable and they will tell you NO!
In newsgroups people only complain when things go wrong, we dont say how
amazing our cars are every day because we don't need to.

In 60k miles I have never been left stranded once, I did however have a flat
battery once and that was replaced by the AA, and was my fault as I left my
TV's on.

Go to Alt.ford or Alt.vauxhall and hear the people whining about there
creaks and groans and all other problems they have

Ron

A_Newsreader

Hey Guys sorry if I offended !!

It looks like it could be an A8 4.0 Diesel Quattro then !

Seems to fit my requirements.

What's the engine like in these cars ?? Turbo lag particularly ??




"Ronny" <Ron@ron.com> wrote in message news:<buqu3j$2j0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>...
> "Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:ncq11059u6qqm72rfqopq1ot5r6c0epeg9@4ax.com...
> > On 23 Jan 2004 01:26:13 -0800, a_newsreader@yahoo.com (A_Newsreader)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >2) Audi - heard lots of reliability issues (but do like their designs)
> >
> > What reliability issues?
> >
> > I'm hearing that so often in these "Which car should I buy" queries,
> > that I'm now asking this.
> >
> > For several years now the A6 (as example) has been leading (or at
> > least top-ranking) the reliability statistics of the German ADAC. [1]
> >
> > The ADAC counts all events in which their support had to repair
> > defects on cars and/or their road support had to tow the car.
> >
> > Audis are considered pretty reliable cars here, so I'd really wonder
> > where that impression comes from?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> > x-post removed.
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > 2000: http://www.fahrschule.de/Auto/20010427.html
> > 2001: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A67552927
> > 2002: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14542927
> > 25 years: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S63522927
> > (Figures are the number of top positions in the last 25 years;
> > 'Gewinner' = Winner; 'Verlierer' = Losers)
> >
> >
>
> Loads of people keep asking if Audis's are unrealiable, but ask any owners
> in here if there cars are unreliable and they will tell you NO!
> In newsgroups people only complain when things go wrong, we dont say how
> amazing our cars are every day because we don't need to.
>
> In 60k miles I have never been left stranded once, I did however have a flat
> battery once and that was replaced by the AA, and was my fault as I left my
> TV's on.
>
> Go to Alt.ford or Alt.vauxhall and hear the people whining about there
> creaks and groans and all other problems they have
>
> Ron

Tha Ghee

"A_Newsreader" <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:af273187.0401230126.2cffc26b@posting.google.c om...
> I'm looking at my next car, ideally if it exists I'd like a luxury
> saloon, 4x4 IN DIESEL !!
>
> But, it's hard choosing because basically there is no new car out
> there that takes my fancy - basically I think they are all a rip off.
>
> Anyway....
>
> My choices are between BMW, Audi and Mercedes.
>
> My problems are;
>
> 1) BMW - don't like the new designs (like the company values, true to
> its beliefs, unlike Mercedes which is a 'produce every different type
> of car under the sun').
>
> 2) Audi - heard lots of reliability issues (but do like their designs)
>
> 3) Mercedes - like the designs, like the extras options, don't like
> the e-class dashboard, don't like the quality, question is am I really
> buying a Mercedes or am I buying a Chrysler with a mercedes badge and
> pricetag.
>
> Or maybe I should just go for a secondhand saloon that fits the above
> (saloon, 4x4, diesel) - in which case I'd probably have no choice but
> to go for an Audi - again though it's the reliability issues with that
> marque that I'm concerned with.
>
> Any ideas ??
>
> Thanks for your time.

if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
Reports.

C R Krieger

"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
> Reports.

Once again displaying his ignorance by recommending an American organization
and an American publication to someone who is obviously in a market that is
*not* North America. Hey, Butterbrain, when's the last time you saw either
a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
--
C.R. Krieger
"Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields

A_Newsreader

I think there looks like there is no choice.....it looks very much
like it's gonna be an Audi A8 4.0turbodiesel Quattro Saloon.....


"C R Krieger" <crkrieger@lakefield.net> wrote in message news:<4011d60e$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net >...
> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4011a1ca$0$15636$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> >
> > if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
> > Reports.
>
> Once again displaying his ignorance by recommending an American organization
> and an American publication to someone who is obviously in a market that is
> *not* North America. Hey, Butterbrain, when's the last time you saw either
> a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?

Huw

"A_Newsreader" <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I think there looks like there is no choice.....it looks very much
> like it's gonna be an Audi A8 4.0turbodiesel Quattro Saloon.....
>

What do you mean that there is no choice?
Over in Europe we have the Audi Allroad and various Quattro's, BMW X3
and X5, VW Touareg with either 2.5 or 5.0 engine, all kinds of
Japanese and Asian brands, Volvo Cross Country and XC90, Land and
Range Rover and many others available with diesel.
The A8 is a good choice apart maybe for the depreciation aspect. It
would be my choice in four years time, after you have put a few miles
on it. Top banana in the UK has to be the BMW X5 which retains its
value extraordinarily well so far. My personal favourite for all round
road performance has to be the VW V10 Touareg, which I drove the other
day.

Huw


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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote
> "A_Newsreader" <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote
> > I think there looks like there is no choice.....it looks very much
> > like it's gonna be an Audi A8 4.0turbodiesel Quattro Saloon.....
> >
> What do you mean that there is no choice?

Almost all that you mention below are SUV's, not saloons (sedans).
Please give him reasonable feedback rather than randon gibberish.

Floyd

> Over in Europe we have the Audi Allroad and various Quattro's, BMW X3
> and X5, VW Touareg with either 2.5 or 5.0 engine, all kinds of
> Japanese and Asian brands, Volvo Cross Country and XC90, Land and
> Range Rover and many others available with diesel.
> The A8 is a good choice apart maybe for the depreciation aspect. It
> would be my choice in four years time, after you have put a few miles
> on it. Top banana in the UK has to be the BMW X5 which retains its
> value extraordinarily well so far. My personal favourite for all round
> road performance has to be the VW V10 Touareg, which I drove the other
> day.
>
> Huw
>
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A_Newsreader

Thanks Floyd, there appears to be more and more people answering like
this in newsgroups rather than actually reading the question.

Anyways, I do agree with that poster on one point - it will be a
secondhand purchase after several, 3-4 years (to knock off a lot of
depreciation).

Best regards.


>
> Almost all that you mention below are SUV's, not saloons (sedans).
> Please give him reasonable feedback rather than randon gibberish.
>
> Floyd
>
> > Over in Europe we have the Audi Allroad and various Quattro's, BMW X3
> > and X5, VW Touareg with either 2.5 or 5.0 engine, all kinds of
> > Japanese and Asian brands, Volvo Cross Country and XC90, Land and
> > Range Rover and many others available with diesel.
> > The A8 is a good choice apart maybe for the depreciation aspect. It
> > would be my choice in four years time, after you have put a few miles
> > on it. Top banana in the UK has to be the BMW X5 which retains its
> > value extraordinarily well so far. My personal favourite for all round
> > road performance has to be the VW V10 Touareg, which I drove the other
> > day.
> >
> > Huw
> >
> >
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