Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

> We have been down this road before.
>

I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that we
actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are known
today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the mirror.
If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars, you're
wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
wrote:

>> We have been down this road before.
>>
>
>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that we
>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are known
>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the mirror.
>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars, you're
>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
>

Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.

Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.
>
>

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Cam Newton (ccnewto@rogers.com)
wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
>wrote:
>>> We have been down this road before.
>>>
>>
>>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that we
>>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are known
>>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the mirror.
>>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars, you're
>>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
>>
>
>Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
>
>Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.

They're not as much fun as they used to be.

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:48:06 GMT, Mark@Jones.co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Cam Newton (ccnewto@rogers.com)
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
>>wrote:
>>>> We have been down this road before.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that we
>>>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are known
>>>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the mirror.
>>>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars, you're
>>>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
>>>
>>
>>Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
>>
>>Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.
>
>They're not as much fun as they used to be.

I would beg to differ. I can tell you that what I can do with my A4 is
much more fun that my first ride, a Corvair or anything else I have
driven. More seat of the pants type of fun but then that was then...
Safety is more important to me now. I want to live. Where as before, I
was just having some fun, honestly ossifer.

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

I don't think cars today have the style of classics. Every automotive
design house has gravitated towards the air-streamed domes that we see out
there today.

The technology, quality, and capabilities of modern cars are far better than
that of their classic brethren, but modern vehicles seem to lack a soul.

My MGA is a needy little thing - more like a lovable pet than a respectable
and predictable transportation device.

Besides, everyone smiles as I slink along in the graceful lines of the MG
with that plat-plat-plat exhaust note. Even people who don't care one whit
about cars will grin as my little classic passes by.

There just aren't many cars made today with price-tags under $80K that amuse
people as much as classics.

God bless anyone who keeps these critters alive!

p.s. - Nader is a granola-chewing capitalist-hating autocratic Nazi. He has
some good ideas, but most of them are lousy. He would make a terrible
president... governor... mayor... or town clerk. I am glad that he can
publish and promote his philosophy, but would never wish him to have any
power to control our lives. Whatever influence he wields should be at a
personal level - not a legislative level. God help us all, if that ever
happens!

p.p.s. - Now, put a Honda VTECH motor in "new" MGA body, and I bet you
couldn't make that car fast enough to meet consumer demand! IMHO.


"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:407de604.36597684@news.gv.shawcable.net...
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:48:06 GMT, Mark@Jones.co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Cam Newton (ccnewto@rogers.com)
> >wrote:
> >>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>>> We have been down this road before.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that
we
> >>>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are
known
> >>>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the
mirror.
> >>>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars,
you're
> >>>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
> >>
> >>Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.
> >
> >They're not as much fun as they used to be.
>
> I would beg to differ. I can tell you that what I can do with my A4 is
> much more fun that my first ride, a Corvair or anything else I have
> driven. More seat of the pants type of fun but then that was then...
> Safety is more important to me now. I want to live. Where as before, I
> was just having some fun, honestly ossifer.

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:407de604.36597684@news.gv.shawcable.net...
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:48:06 GMT, Mark@Jones.co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Cam Newton (ccnewto@rogers.com)
> >wrote:
> >>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>>> We have been down this road before.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that
we
> >>>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are
known
> >>>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the
mirror.
> >>>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars,
you're
> >>>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
> >>
> >>Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.
> >
> >They're not as much fun as they used to be.
>
> I would beg to differ. I can tell you that what I can do with my A4 is
> much more fun that my first ride, a Corvair or anything else I have
> driven. More seat of the pants type of fun but then that was then...
> Safety is more important to me now. I want to live. Where as before, I
> was just having some fun, honestly ossifer.

Well, I own two cars. One is a four door RWD unibody sedan with a V8
from the late 80's and the other is a RWD unibody coupe about 20 years
older with slightly less power. I have more fun in the 60's car than in the
80's car, and I don't necessarily drive either very hard...

I have owned about 17 cars through the years from a 1964 Cadillac to
a 1988 Escort, including such machines as a '70 Monte Carlo and an
'87 Formula Firebird, and my favorite of all of them was a 1980 New
Yorker. It was quick enough with that 360, and that torsion bar sus-
pension made it handle like a much smaller and lighter car. My '87
Plymouth is a simpler and scaled-down version of it, but it's just not
the same...

I have been driving taxis for nearly twelve years. I drove lots of Olds 88
and 98 cars from the late 70's to mid 80's, many Chevrolet Impalas and
Caprices from the 80's and 90's, an '81 Mercury, even a Cadillac Fleet-
wood for a couple of weeks once, and the current one is a '95 Crown Vic.
My favorites were a '89 and a '90 Caprice which were nearly identical.
They had enough power with Police Pack 350's, and Turbo 350[non-
stock] transmissions with shift kits to replace that overdrive junk. My
least favorite is a tie between a '91 Caprice and the '84 Caprice wagon
that I drove for a couple of years...

Safety is in the driver's ability to avoid accidents rather than any gadget
that's mounted in or bolted onto the car. Give me a 60's Corvair without
seat belts and I'll be perfectly safe in it...

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

"Mike Fisher" <biosurgery@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%5wfc.7463$l75.6652@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> I don't think cars today have the style of classics. Every automotive
> design house has gravitated towards the air-streamed domes that we see out
> there today.
>
> The technology, quality, and capabilities of modern cars are far better
than
> that of their classic brethren, but modern vehicles seem to lack a soul.
>
> My MGA is a needy little thing - more like a lovable pet than a
respectable
> and predictable transportation device.
>
> Besides, everyone smiles as I slink along in the graceful lines of the MG
> with that plat-plat-plat exhaust note. Even people who don't care one
whit
> about cars will grin as my little classic passes by.

> p.p.s. - Now, put a Honda VTECH motor in "new" MGA body, and I bet you
> couldn't make that car fast enough to meet consumer demand! IMHO.

Not sure about the MGA, but there is someone in the UK who makes plastic
repros of classic cars, and fits them with the modern mechanicals. It's
maybe a bit "kit - y" but certainly got to appeal to some people :)

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:407d94b6.15783685@news.gv.shawcable.net...
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> We have been down this road before.
> >>
> >
> >I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that
we
> >actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are known
> >today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the
mirror.
> >If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars,
you're
> >wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
> >
>
> Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
>
> Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.

Heavier, thirstier and more complex to repair when the ECU or management
sensors play up?

Don't see how that makes them any better at all IMO.

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:28:27 GMT, "Mike Fisher"
<biosurgery@earthlink.net> wrote:

I do lust after one car: Porsche 356 SC 1600 Coupe and Cabriolet. A
1963 o '64.

>I don't think cars today have the style of classics. Every automotive
>design house has gravitated towards the air-streamed domes that we see out
>there today.
>
>The technology, quality, and capabilities of modern cars are far better than
>that of their classic brethren, but modern vehicles seem to lack a soul.
>
>My MGA is a needy little thing - more like a lovable pet than a respectable
>and predictable transportation device.
>
>Besides, everyone smiles as I slink along in the graceful lines of the MG
>with that plat-plat-plat exhaust note. Even people who don't care one whit
>about cars will grin as my little classic passes by.
>
>There just aren't many cars made today with price-tags under $80K that amuse
>people as much as classics.
>
>God bless anyone who keeps these critters alive!
>
>p.s. - Nader is a granola-chewing capitalist-hating autocratic Nazi. He has
>some good ideas, but most of them are lousy. He would make a terrible
>president... governor... mayor... or town clerk. I am glad that he can
>publish and promote his philosophy, but would never wish him to have any
>power to control our lives. Whatever influence he wields should be at a
>personal level - not a legislative level. God help us all, if that ever
>happens!
>
>p.p.s. - Now, put a Honda VTECH motor in "new" MGA body, and I bet you
>couldn't make that car fast enough to meet consumer demand! IMHO.
>
>
>"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:407de604.36597684@news.gv.shawcable.net...
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:48:06 GMT, Mark@Jones.co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Cam Newton (ccnewto@rogers.com)
>> >wrote:
>> >>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>> We have been down this road before.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that
>we
>> >>>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are
>known
>> >>>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the
>mirror.
>> >>>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars,
>you're
>> >>>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
>> >>
>> >>Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.
>> >
>> >They're not as much fun as they used to be.
>>
>> I would beg to differ. I can tell you that what I can do with my A4 is
>> much more fun that my first ride, a Corvair or anything else I have
>> driven. More seat of the pants type of fun but then that was then...
>> Safety is more important to me now. I want to live. Where as before, I
>> was just having some fun, honestly ossifer.
>
>

Re: Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:49:53 GMT, "dreas" <dreas@shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:407de604.36597684@news.gv.shawcable.net...
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:48:06 GMT, Mark@Jones.co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:44:58 GMT, Cam Newton (ccnewto@rogers.com)
>> >wrote:
>> >>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:41:08 GMT, "Gary E. Tayman" <gtayman@gate.net>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>> We have been down this road before.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>I must say, the last time we drove down that road, it was in a car that
>we
>> >>>actually enjoyed and were proud to own. Cars made 40 years ago are
>known
>> >>>today as dream cars. What changed the cars we drive? Look in the
>mirror.
>> >>>If you think you'll get voters from a group who loves collector cars,
>you're
>> >>>wasting your time -- which in my opinion is a good thing.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Aha, I knew there was a auto related theme hidden in the post.
>> >>
>> >>Cars are better today than ever. In every way. Full stop.
>> >
>> >They're not as much fun as they used to be.
>>
>> I would beg to differ. I can tell you that what I can do with my A4 is
>> much more fun that my first ride, a Corvair or anything else I have
>> driven. More seat of the pants type of fun but then that was then...
>> Safety is more important to me now. I want to live. Where as before, I
>> was just having some fun, honestly ossifer.
>
>Well, I own two cars. One is a four door RWD unibody sedan with a V8
>from the late 80's and the other is a RWD unibody coupe about 20 years
>older with slightly less power. I have more fun in the 60's car than in the
>80's car, and I don't necessarily drive either very hard...
>
>I have owned about 17 cars through the years from a 1964 Cadillac to
>a 1988 Escort, including such machines as a '70 Monte Carlo and an
>'87 Formula Firebird, and my favorite of all of them was a 1980 New
>Yorker. It was quick enough with that 360, and that torsion bar sus-
>pension made it handle like a much smaller and lighter car. My '87
>Plymouth is a simpler and scaled-down version of it, but it's just not
>the same...
>
>I have been driving taxis for nearly twelve years. I drove lots of Olds 88
>and 98 cars from the late 70's to mid 80's, many Chevrolet Impalas and
>Caprices from the 80's and 90's, an '81 Mercury, even a Cadillac Fleet-
>wood for a couple of weeks once, and the current one is a '95 Crown Vic.
>My favorites were a '89 and a '90 Caprice which were nearly identical.
>They had enough power with Police Pack 350's, and Turbo 350[non-
>stock] transmissions with shift kits to replace that overdrive junk. My
>least favorite is a tie between a '91 Caprice and the '84 Caprice wagon
>that I drove for a couple of years...
>
>Safety is in the driver's ability to avoid accidents rather than any gadget
>that's mounted in or bolted onto the car. Give me a 60's Corvair without
>seat belts and I'll be perfectly safe in it...
>

I am concerned about the Starbucks swilling, cell phone yapping ditz
(male and female) tooling along in their SUV over the speed limit as
they sail thru a stop sign... with me in their cross hairs.

All in all, I have not and will not be a real 'car guy'. I love my A4
and will drive the snot out of it when I can; 'round here the good
drives are kind of limited. I bought the car for driving which is why
I got the quattro. That was the one thing my wife and I had to have
once we determined it to be a safety feature. But safety is not
paramount, life is risk, I choose to reduce it where feasible but then
I also surf. Ya never know what is going to take you out.
>