dave AKA vwdoc1

Yep cheap American motor oil!

"Bill" <bargerw@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>> 20,000 mile oil changes sometimes 30k miles, 2003 1.8T quattro A4, I now
>> have 180,000 miles on the clock and it still drives like new, is this oil
>> sludge thing an American thing
>
> Yes, we have been programmed to every 3k. Cheaply built motors leaked like
> there is no tomorrow.
>
> Since synthetic (majority of Americans fear) the mileage has increased.
>
> I get 10k on my new Avalanche.
>

Bill

I don't think it was the oil, it was the tolerances the engines were built
to.
Mass produced junk.
I have to admit they have gotten better in the last couple of years.

"dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yep cheap American motor oil!
>
> "Bill" <bargerw@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:LQZmk.6381$XT1.3429@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>
>>> 20,000 mile oil changes sometimes 30k miles, 2003 1.8T quattro A4, I now
>>> have 180,000 miles on the clock and it still drives like new, is this
>>> oil sludge thing an American thing
>>
>> Yes, we have been programmed to every 3k. Cheaply built motors leaked
>> like there is no tomorrow.
>>
>> Since synthetic (majority of Americans fear) the mileage has increased.
>>
>> I get 10k on my new Avalanche.
>>
>
>

dave AKA vwdoc1

then why is specific oil needed and most of it is non-American oil? Most
"common" brand oil, if not all, are European blends such as the Mobil 1
0W-40.
Some oils just can't take the heat from the turbo and the inline 1.8t
engines could use more quantity ( = larger oil filter) along with quality!
IMHO the 1.8t engine is well built as are most of the VW engines I have
worked on!

Why do you think the tolerances are bad? Oil consumption?

"Bill" <bargerw@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>I don't think it was the oil, it was the tolerances the engines were built
>to.
> Mass produced junk.
> I have to admit they have gotten better in the last couple of years.
>
> "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:TK_mk.35275$ZE5.17581@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Yep cheap American motor oil!
>>
>> "Bill" <bargerw@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:LQZmk.6381$XT1.3429@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 20,000 mile oil changes sometimes 30k miles, 2003 1.8T quattro A4, I
>>>> now have 180,000 miles on the clock and it still drives like new, is
>>>> this oil sludge thing an American thing
>>>
>>> Yes, we have been programmed to every 3k. Cheaply built motors leaked
>>> like there is no tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Since synthetic (majority of Americans fear) the mileage has increased.
>>>
>>> I get 10k on my new Avalanche.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Mike

dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> then why is specific oil needed and most of it is non-American oil? Most
> "common" brand oil, if not all, are European blends such as the Mobil 1
> 0W-40.
> Some oils just can't take the heat from the turbo and the inline 1.8t
> engines could use more quantity ( = larger oil filter) along with quality!
> IMHO the 1.8t engine is well built as are most of the VW engines I have
> worked on!
>
> Why do you think the tolerances are bad? Oil consumption?
>

I thought bill was refering to american built engines.

Mike

Bill

Yes, American.
Cheaply built engines.

"Mike" <mikeloveschampagneandrugby@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
>> then why is specific oil needed and most of it is non-American oil? Most
>> "common" brand oil, if not all, are European blends such as the Mobil 1
>> 0W-40.
>> Some oils just can't take the heat from the turbo and the inline 1.8t
>> engines could use more quantity ( = larger oil filter) along with
>> quality!
>> IMHO the 1.8t engine is well built as are most of the VW engines I have
>> worked on!
>>
>> Why do you think the tolerances are bad? Oil consumption?
>>
>
> I thought bill was refering to american built engines.
>
> Mike

Mike

Bill wrote:
> Yes, American.
> Cheaply built engines.
>
> "Mike" <mikeloveschampagneandrugby@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:g7jj7k$emj$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
>>> then why is specific oil needed and most of it is non-American oil? Most
>>> "common" brand oil, if not all, are European blends such as the Mobil 1
>>> 0W-40.
>>> Some oils just can't take the heat from the turbo and the inline 1.8t
>>> engines could use more quantity ( = larger oil filter) along with
>>> quality!
>>> IMHO the 1.8t engine is well built as are most of the VW engines I have
>>> worked on!
>>>
>>> Why do you think the tolerances are bad? Oil consumption?
>>>
>> I thought bill was refering to american built engines.
>>
>> Mike
>
>

Why do they put up with it?

I have owned 8 european cars over the last 20 years, all bar 1 purchased
use with between 25 and 80k on the clock. None have had any engine
trouble except a fiat with a minor oil leak from the sump gasket.

I had a Rover diesel (peugeot based engine), now driven by my brother
which has 130k on the clock which has had no engine problems in 11
years. There's only a slight loss of performance & economy from when I
bought it 110k miles and 10 years ago. These aren't easy motorway
miles, most of it is around town and the A+B roads of the midlands.

With the availability of imports inc Japanese I cannot understand how
the American car manufacturers are still in business.

Mike

dave AKA vwdoc1

OOPS then I stand corrected and we are all on the same page!


"Bill" <bargerw@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, American.
> Cheaply built engines.

Roscoe P Pendoscoe

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:50:51 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote:

>Hmmm if you are in CA and the receipts seem to come from all parts of the
>country or the world, that would seem weird!
>Also you would need to include the dates that you claimed you had the oil
>changed or purchased the oil.
>Where did you purchase the oil and filters from?
>Try to remember when you bought the parts and where. Maybe that store can
>get you some receipts.
>Your mechanic should be able to produce all of the receipts that you need.
>The dealer WILL check out your evidence!
>
>This is a harsh lesson that everyone needs to pay heed to!
>ALWAYS KEEP YOUR RECEIPTS!!!! PAY WITH CREDIT CARDS OR CHECKS!!!
>
>BTW 10,000 miles between oil changes seems a little too long to me.
>
You might ask your mechanic to provide a statement that you provided
the correct items. Have it notarized. This may be OK, maybe not but it
is your best bet.

An oil change is fairly inexpensive and taking it in to a certified
shop for your future changes might be prudent. Live and learn. And as
others said, I'd change the oil more frequently. Like 5000 max.

Roscoe aka MrShade





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