Keys
#21
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:36:11 GMT, "Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
>> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
>I believe it's meant as an emergency key that should have all the
>functionality of the metal keys.
>
>> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
>> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
>> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
>> start the vehicle.
>
>Again I believe it should unlock and start the vehicle as normal. After
>unlocking the doors you do have a finite amount of time before you can start
>the car. I'm not near my manual at the moment but I can check later.
>
>>
>> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>>
>> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
>> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
>> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
>> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
>
>They will need to be coded to the car in order to use them. A dealer usually
>charges 0.5 hours labour for this even though it's a 5-10 minute job. If you
>know someone with VAG-COM then they may be able to do it.
>
>HTH
Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
of any kind within....
>> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
>I believe it's meant as an emergency key that should have all the
>functionality of the metal keys.
>
>> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
>> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
>> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
>> start the vehicle.
>
>Again I believe it should unlock and start the vehicle as normal. After
>unlocking the doors you do have a finite amount of time before you can start
>the car. I'm not near my manual at the moment but I can check later.
>
>>
>> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>>
>> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
>> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
>> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
>> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
>
>They will need to be coded to the car in order to use them. A dealer usually
>charges 0.5 hours labour for this even though it's a 5-10 minute job. If you
>know someone with VAG-COM then they may be able to do it.
>
>HTH
Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
of any kind within....
#22
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:36:11 GMT, "Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
>> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
>I believe it's meant as an emergency key that should have all the
>functionality of the metal keys.
>
>> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
>> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
>> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
>> start the vehicle.
>
>Again I believe it should unlock and start the vehicle as normal. After
>unlocking the doors you do have a finite amount of time before you can start
>the car. I'm not near my manual at the moment but I can check later.
>
>>
>> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>>
>> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
>> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
>> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
>> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
>
>They will need to be coded to the car in order to use them. A dealer usually
>charges 0.5 hours labour for this even though it's a 5-10 minute job. If you
>know someone with VAG-COM then they may be able to do it.
>
>HTH
Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
of any kind within....
>> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
>I believe it's meant as an emergency key that should have all the
>functionality of the metal keys.
>
>> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
>> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
>> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
>> start the vehicle.
>
>Again I believe it should unlock and start the vehicle as normal. After
>unlocking the doors you do have a finite amount of time before you can start
>the car. I'm not near my manual at the moment but I can check later.
>
>>
>> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>>
>> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
>> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
>> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
>> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
>
>They will need to be coded to the car in order to use them. A dealer usually
>charges 0.5 hours labour for this even though it's a 5-10 minute job. If you
>know someone with VAG-COM then they may be able to do it.
>
>HTH
Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
of any kind within....
#23
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:21:57 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
> of any kind within....
I suspected that but the dealer's parts department insists otherwise.
That is why I brought the question here.
Tony
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
> of any kind within....
I suspected that but the dealer's parts department insists otherwise.
That is why I brought the question here.
Tony
#24
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:21:57 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
> of any kind within....
I suspected that but the dealer's parts department insists otherwise.
That is why I brought the question here.
Tony
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
> of any kind within....
I suspected that but the dealer's parts department insists otherwise.
That is why I brought the question here.
Tony
#25
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:21:57 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
> of any kind within....
I suspected that but the dealer's parts department insists otherwise.
That is why I brought the question here.
Tony
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> Not likely...the *ALL PLASTIC* key the OP is referring to has no electronics
> of any kind within....
I suspected that but the dealer's parts department insists otherwise.
That is why I brought the question here.
Tony
#26
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Re: Keys
"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bsf1f11qvb6g82rng03sf6cbfm5vi2hla5@4ax.com...
> A new Audi came with two kinds of keys, metal ones which fold into a
> remote control fob and a plastic service key.
>
> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
> start the vehicle.
>
> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>
> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
For RoTW, AFAIK, it will disable the alarm/immobiliser and generally act as
a "normal" key.
The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
HTH
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
news:bsf1f11qvb6g82rng03sf6cbfm5vi2hla5@4ax.com...
> A new Audi came with two kinds of keys, metal ones which fold into a
> remote control fob and a plastic service key.
>
> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
> start the vehicle.
>
> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>
> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
For RoTW, AFAIK, it will disable the alarm/immobiliser and generally act as
a "normal" key.
The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
HTH
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
#27
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Re: Keys
"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bsf1f11qvb6g82rng03sf6cbfm5vi2hla5@4ax.com...
> A new Audi came with two kinds of keys, metal ones which fold into a
> remote control fob and a plastic service key.
>
> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
> start the vehicle.
>
> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>
> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
For RoTW, AFAIK, it will disable the alarm/immobiliser and generally act as
a "normal" key.
The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
HTH
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
news:bsf1f11qvb6g82rng03sf6cbfm5vi2hla5@4ax.com...
> A new Audi came with two kinds of keys, metal ones which fold into a
> remote control fob and a plastic service key.
>
> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
> start the vehicle.
>
> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>
> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
For RoTW, AFAIK, it will disable the alarm/immobiliser and generally act as
a "normal" key.
The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
HTH
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
#28
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Re: Keys
"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bsf1f11qvb6g82rng03sf6cbfm5vi2hla5@4ax.com...
> A new Audi came with two kinds of keys, metal ones which fold into a
> remote control fob and a plastic service key.
>
> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
> start the vehicle.
>
> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>
> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
For RoTW, AFAIK, it will disable the alarm/immobiliser and generally act as
a "normal" key.
The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
HTH
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
news:bsf1f11qvb6g82rng03sf6cbfm5vi2hla5@4ax.com...
> A new Audi came with two kinds of keys, metal ones which fold into a
> remote control fob and a plastic service key.
>
> Can someone explain the intended functionality of the plastic service key?
>
> I find I can use the plastic key to unlock a vehicle which has its alarm
> set and without sounding the alarm - but then the key will not start the
> vehicle. But if the alarm has not been set, then the plastic key can
> start the vehicle.
>
> Does my plastic key do everything correctly?
>
> Are there any electronic components (e.g. an RFI chip) in the key which
> needs to be married to the vehicle or is its manufacture just one of
> copying the pattern? Can extra plastic service keys be simply mailed to
> me and not need to be fitted, installed or trained to the vehicle?
On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
For RoTW, AFAIK, it will disable the alarm/immobiliser and generally act as
a "normal" key.
The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
HTH
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!
#29
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:27:55 GMT, "Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]>
wrote:
> On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
>
> It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
> in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
We now have one vote for the parts department who also say there is a chip
inside to allow the key to start the car. I'll have to keep score
> The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
> honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
> lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
My car (allroad) did not come with any genuine service key (or a trunk!),
but I see some rebates running along the keys' edges which would make it
possible to make larger non-rebated keys operate say the door and ignition
but would not fit into the locks of something else - say the glove box.
Tony
wrote:
> On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
>
> It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
> in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
We now have one vote for the parts department who also say there is a chip
inside to allow the key to start the car. I'll have to keep score
> The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
> honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
> lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
My car (allroad) did not come with any genuine service key (or a trunk!),
but I see some rebates running along the keys' edges which would make it
possible to make larger non-rebated keys operate say the door and ignition
but would not fit into the locks of something else - say the glove box.
Tony
#30
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Re: Keys
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:27:55 GMT, "Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]>
wrote:
> On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
>
> It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
> in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
We now have one vote for the parts department who also say there is a chip
inside to allow the key to start the car. I'll have to keep score
> The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
> honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
> lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
My car (allroad) did not come with any genuine service key (or a trunk!),
but I see some rebates running along the keys' edges which would make it
possible to make larger non-rebated keys operate say the door and ignition
but would not fit into the locks of something else - say the glove box.
Tony
wrote:
> On the TT, one has (or "had" in my case..) a small plastic "wallet" key.
>
> It has an immobiliser chip - which means that you can start the car - but,
> in the UK it doesn't disable the alarm. "Thatcham" rules. Apparently.
We now have one vote for the parts department who also say there is a chip
inside to allow the key to start the car. I'll have to keep score
> The service key is marked with a sort of hammer symbol (refreshingly
> honest!), and will not open the glovebox or (allegedly) boot [trunk]. It
> lacks the groove of the normal keys (take a look..)
My car (allroad) did not come with any genuine service key (or a trunk!),
but I see some rebates running along the keys' edges which would make it
possible to make larger non-rebated keys operate say the door and ignition
but would not fit into the locks of something else - say the glove box.
Tony