I do know the basics about assembly line work, but then again I bet there is
not only one coil pack manufacturer in the world. Now, there's probably only
a cheap one, which happens to be the one supplying them. So, it's nothing a
couple more bucks investment couldn't have solved in an instant.
> Hardly. You can't just wave a wand and have parts materialize out of
> thin air. Do you know anything at all about heavy manufacturing?


> There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
> very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
> dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
> regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
> warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because they
> had good dealer relations.
>
This is what they should all do, although of course only if there's a good
reason enough, which happens to be the case.


> Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
> case."
Well, now I can see you're just a would-be knowitall. Yes, I do happen to be
an engineer although my knowledge of car mechanics is rather limited, but I
can still easily tell from the many woe stories when something has been
underengineered, but it doesn't take an engineer to not fail to see this.
Also, upon inspection deterioration is so obvious that there's no denying
the bad engineering.


If I'm not naming the dealer it's only because it's thousands of miles away
from where most of you probably are, so you're perfectly safe in that
respect, and because the point is that this contemptible behaviour is pretty
much extended where I am based. I would dare to say that the good stories
are the rare exceptions. But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
think it's the make's policy that's faulty. If you doubt what I'm saying I
would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our make
has covered something after the guarantee had expired.
> I'm becoming curious as to why you are not naming this dealer that's so
> shoddy. If what you say is completely true, then what's the problem?

 

JP,
siezed calipers, pooched rotors.
Apparently, the rear calipers must not like the salty winter roads so much -
I was told the local Stealership goes through loads of brake replacements
every spring on CRV's and Odysseys - bad owners, of course.
Honda used to be different - they replaced the whole rear suspension and gas
tank on a recall on my parent's 1982 Civic Wagon when it was 13 years old.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d488hn$rjp$1@news.ya.com...
>
> After having a massive rear brake
> > replacement (cables, calipers, rotors) on my wife's 2k2 CRV,
>
> Why this replacement?
>
>

 

JP,
siezed calipers, pooched rotors.
Apparently, the rear calipers must not like the salty winter roads so much -
I was told the local Stealership goes through loads of brake replacements
every spring on CRV's and Odysseys - bad owners, of course.
Honda used to be different - they replaced the whole rear suspension and gas
tank on a recall on my parent's 1982 Civic Wagon when it was 13 years old.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
(SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)

"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d488hn$rjp$1@news.ya.com...
>
> After having a massive rear brake
> > replacement (cables, calipers, rotors) on my wife's 2k2 CRV,
>
> Why this replacement?
>
>

 

JP,
siezed calipers, pooched rotors.
Apparently, the rear calipers must not like the salty winter roads so much -
I was told the local Stealership goes through loads of brake replacements
every spring on CRV's and Odysseys - bad owners, of course.
Honda used to be different - they replaced the whole rear suspension and gas
tank on a recall on my parent's 1982 Civic Wagon when it was 13 years old.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
(SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)

"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d488hn$rjp$1@news.ya.com...
>
> After having a massive rear brake
> > replacement (cables, calipers, rotors) on my wife's 2k2 CRV,
>
> Why this replacement?
>
>

 

JP Roberts wrote:

>are the rare exceptions. But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
>think it's the make's policy that's faulty. If you doubt what I'm saying I
>would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our make
>has covered something after the guarantee had expired.

Have you read the links I looked up for you as far as other brands are
concerned?

In your (understandable) bitterness you are now trying to ask for the
impossible. As has been discussed numerous times, the folks who got
their Audi serviced properly, quickly and who were taken care of have
absolutely no inclination to write that down.

The Audi Group delivered 1.2 Million units to customers in 2004 and
2003. Volkswagen as a total 5 Million Units per year worldwide. How
many posts does Audiworld have which are that negative? How many
posters show up here every month to ask for some help? 10? 20?

But I can only meanwhile recommend the same as other posters: Go and
get another brand?

Regards

Wolfgang

--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

 

JP Roberts wrote:

>are the rare exceptions. But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
>think it's the make's policy that's faulty. If you doubt what I'm saying I
>would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our make
>has covered something after the guarantee had expired.

Have you read the links I looked up for you as far as other brands are
concerned?

In your (understandable) bitterness you are now trying to ask for the
impossible. As has been discussed numerous times, the folks who got
their Audi serviced properly, quickly and who were taken care of have
absolutely no inclination to write that down.

The Audi Group delivered 1.2 Million units to customers in 2004 and
2003. Volkswagen as a total 5 Million Units per year worldwide. How
many posts does Audiworld have which are that negative? How many
posters show up here every month to ask for some help? 10? 20?

But I can only meanwhile recommend the same as other posters: Go and
get another brand?

Regards

Wolfgang

--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

 

JP Roberts wrote:

>are the rare exceptions. But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
>think it's the make's policy that's faulty. If you doubt what I'm saying I
>would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our make
>has covered something after the guarantee had expired.

Have you read the links I looked up for you as far as other brands are
concerned?

In your (understandable) bitterness you are now trying to ask for the
impossible. As has been discussed numerous times, the folks who got
their Audi serviced properly, quickly and who were taken care of have
absolutely no inclination to write that down.

The Audi Group delivered 1.2 Million units to customers in 2004 and
2003. Volkswagen as a total 5 Million Units per year worldwide. How
many posts does Audiworld have which are that negative? How many
posters show up here every month to ask for some help? 10? 20?

But I can only meanwhile recommend the same as other posters: Go and
get another brand?

Regards

Wolfgang

--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

 

JP Roberts wrote:
> I do know the basics about assembly line work, but then again I bet
there is
> not only one coil pack manufacturer in the world.

For that particular application? You do not have the slightest clue
about the particulars of that case, and now you somehow claim to know
about how many suppliers there are?

OK, here's an exercise for your own amusement - a question to which I
actually know the answer:

At the time of VAG's coil pack problem, how many manufacturers could
have supplied, at a one-week notice, a batch of one hundred of those
specified coil packs?

> So, it's nothing a
> couple more bucks investment couldn't have solved in an instant.

Answer the question above for enlightenment.

> > There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
> > very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
> > dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
> > regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
> > warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because
they
> > had good dealer relations.
> >
> This is what they should all do, although of course only if there's a
good
> reason enough, which happens to be the case.

Then why bother having a warranty period, hmmm? If it breaks, we'll
fix it, no matter how old the car? No matter what mileage, no matter
what sort of abuse or modification? OK, so that's the silly extreme,
but there does have to be a line drawn somewhere. You happened to fall
on the other side of it, and your dealership is taking a hard line and
saying "tough luck."

Just like every other manufacturer's dealerships in the vast majority
of these kinds of cases. Wishing otherwise is a foolish exercise.

> > Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
> > case."
> Well, now I can see you're just a would-be knowitall.

You admit you're not an automotive engineer, so in this case I guess I
really am right. Making your "clear case" comment is just so much
prattling on.

> Also, upon inspection deterioration is so obvious that there's no
denying
> the bad engineering.

Except you're not an automotive engineer, so your "inspection" is
meaningless. A few stories and some hearsay from some folks who have a
monetary interest in getting your car on a hoist is not evidence. I
suppose in your courses of study in engineering you had to take some
classes in real, hard sciences, right? You can tell the difference
between hard and anecdotal data, yes?

> If I'm not naming the dealer it's only because it's thousands of
miles away
> from where most of you probably are, so you're perfectly safe in that

> respect, and because the point is that this contemptible behaviour is
pretty
> much extended where I am based.

All the more reason to name this dealer. Because now it's *your*
credibility that I'm questioning. Normally, I give the benefit of the
doubt to the customer, and assume the dealer is the problem. Now I'm
beginning to get another idea in your specific case.

> I would dare to say that the good stories
> are the rare exceptions.

Why? I've heard of more good stories in this thread than bad.

> But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
> think it's the make's policy that's faulty.

LOL. You think the car should come with some all-inclusive lifetime
warranty for everything, including stuff that other people have had
replaced under warranty.

> If you doubt what I'm saying I
> would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our
make
> has covered something after the guarantee had expired.

I would not expect them to cover something after the warranty had
expired, unless it was a recall item. Audi or some other manufacturer.
If you wanted a longer warranty, then you should have purchased one.
If the cost of repairing your out-of-warranty car is too dear, then you
need a different car that's cheaper to fix when it breaks.

I would like to know why you expect free service and parts after
warranty for non-recall items when that virtually never happens for any
other make or model. Why should Audi do what no one else does, and not
charge more for it?

E.P.

 

JP Roberts wrote:
> I do know the basics about assembly line work, but then again I bet
there is
> not only one coil pack manufacturer in the world.

For that particular application? You do not have the slightest clue
about the particulars of that case, and now you somehow claim to know
about how many suppliers there are?

OK, here's an exercise for your own amusement - a question to which I
actually know the answer:

At the time of VAG's coil pack problem, how many manufacturers could
have supplied, at a one-week notice, a batch of one hundred of those
specified coil packs?

> So, it's nothing a
> couple more bucks investment couldn't have solved in an instant.

Answer the question above for enlightenment.

> > There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
> > very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
> > dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
> > regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
> > warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because
they
> > had good dealer relations.
> >
> This is what they should all do, although of course only if there's a
good
> reason enough, which happens to be the case.

Then why bother having a warranty period, hmmm? If it breaks, we'll
fix it, no matter how old the car? No matter what mileage, no matter
what sort of abuse or modification? OK, so that's the silly extreme,
but there does have to be a line drawn somewhere. You happened to fall
on the other side of it, and your dealership is taking a hard line and
saying "tough luck."

Just like every other manufacturer's dealerships in the vast majority
of these kinds of cases. Wishing otherwise is a foolish exercise.

> > Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
> > case."
> Well, now I can see you're just a would-be knowitall.

You admit you're not an automotive engineer, so in this case I guess I
really am right. Making your "clear case" comment is just so much
prattling on.

> Also, upon inspection deterioration is so obvious that there's no
denying
> the bad engineering.

Except you're not an automotive engineer, so your "inspection" is
meaningless. A few stories and some hearsay from some folks who have a
monetary interest in getting your car on a hoist is not evidence. I
suppose in your courses of study in engineering you had to take some
classes in real, hard sciences, right? You can tell the difference
between hard and anecdotal data, yes?

> If I'm not naming the dealer it's only because it's thousands of
miles away
> from where most of you probably are, so you're perfectly safe in that

> respect, and because the point is that this contemptible behaviour is
pretty
> much extended where I am based.

All the more reason to name this dealer. Because now it's *your*
credibility that I'm questioning. Normally, I give the benefit of the
doubt to the customer, and assume the dealer is the problem. Now I'm
beginning to get another idea in your specific case.

> I would dare to say that the good stories
> are the rare exceptions.

Why? I've heard of more good stories in this thread than bad.

> But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
> think it's the make's policy that's faulty.

LOL. You think the car should come with some all-inclusive lifetime
warranty for everything, including stuff that other people have had
replaced under warranty.

> If you doubt what I'm saying I
> would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our
make
> has covered something after the guarantee had expired.

I would not expect them to cover something after the warranty had
expired, unless it was a recall item. Audi or some other manufacturer.
If you wanted a longer warranty, then you should have purchased one.
If the cost of repairing your out-of-warranty car is too dear, then you
need a different car that's cheaper to fix when it breaks.

I would like to know why you expect free service and parts after
warranty for non-recall items when that virtually never happens for any
other make or model. Why should Audi do what no one else does, and not
charge more for it?

E.P.

 

JP Roberts wrote:
> I do know the basics about assembly line work, but then again I bet
there is
> not only one coil pack manufacturer in the world.

For that particular application? You do not have the slightest clue
about the particulars of that case, and now you somehow claim to know
about how many suppliers there are?

OK, here's an exercise for your own amusement - a question to which I
actually know the answer:

At the time of VAG's coil pack problem, how many manufacturers could
have supplied, at a one-week notice, a batch of one hundred of those
specified coil packs?

> So, it's nothing a
> couple more bucks investment couldn't have solved in an instant.

Answer the question above for enlightenment.

> > There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
> > very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
> > dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
> > regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
> > warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because
they
> > had good dealer relations.
> >
> This is what they should all do, although of course only if there's a
good
> reason enough, which happens to be the case.

Then why bother having a warranty period, hmmm? If it breaks, we'll
fix it, no matter how old the car? No matter what mileage, no matter
what sort of abuse or modification? OK, so that's the silly extreme,
but there does have to be a line drawn somewhere. You happened to fall
on the other side of it, and your dealership is taking a hard line and
saying "tough luck."

Just like every other manufacturer's dealerships in the vast majority
of these kinds of cases. Wishing otherwise is a foolish exercise.

> > Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
> > case."
> Well, now I can see you're just a would-be knowitall.

You admit you're not an automotive engineer, so in this case I guess I
really am right. Making your "clear case" comment is just so much
prattling on.

> Also, upon inspection deterioration is so obvious that there's no
denying
> the bad engineering.

Except you're not an automotive engineer, so your "inspection" is
meaningless. A few stories and some hearsay from some folks who have a
monetary interest in getting your car on a hoist is not evidence. I
suppose in your courses of study in engineering you had to take some
classes in real, hard sciences, right? You can tell the difference
between hard and anecdotal data, yes?

> If I'm not naming the dealer it's only because it's thousands of
miles away
> from where most of you probably are, so you're perfectly safe in that

> respect, and because the point is that this contemptible behaviour is
pretty
> much extended where I am based.

All the more reason to name this dealer. Because now it's *your*
credibility that I'm questioning. Normally, I give the benefit of the
doubt to the customer, and assume the dealer is the problem. Now I'm
beginning to get another idea in your specific case.

> I would dare to say that the good stories
> are the rare exceptions.

Why? I've heard of more good stories in this thread than bad.

> But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
> think it's the make's policy that's faulty.

LOL. You think the car should come with some all-inclusive lifetime
warranty for everything, including stuff that other people have had
replaced under warranty.

> If you doubt what I'm saying I
> would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our
make
> has covered something after the guarantee had expired.

I would not expect them to cover something after the warranty had
expired, unless it was a recall item. Audi or some other manufacturer.
If you wanted a longer warranty, then you should have purchased one.
If the cost of repairing your out-of-warranty car is too dear, then you
need a different car that's cheaper to fix when it breaks.

I would like to know why you expect free service and parts after
warranty for non-recall items when that virtually never happens for any
other make or model. Why should Audi do what no one else does, and not
charge more for it?

E.P.