Car Buying Advice
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Re: Car Buying Advice
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ian S wrote:
> > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > some.
> > > >
> > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > >
> > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> >
> > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
a
> > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > >
> > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> >
> > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
independent
> > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>
> Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>
> So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> exaggerating and be done with it.
Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
proverbial grain of salt.
news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Ian S wrote:
> > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > some.
> > > >
> > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > >
> > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> >
> > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
a
> > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > >
> > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> >
> > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
independent
> > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>
> Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>
> So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> exaggerating and be done with it.
Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
proverbial grain of salt.
#52
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Re: Car Buying Advice
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ian S wrote:
> > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > some.
> > > >
> > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > >
> > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> >
> > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
a
> > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > >
> > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> >
> > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
independent
> > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>
> Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>
> So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> exaggerating and be done with it.
Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
proverbial grain of salt.
news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Ian S wrote:
> > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > some.
> > > >
> > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > >
> > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> >
> > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
a
> > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > >
> > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> >
> > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
independent
> > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>
> Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>
> So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> exaggerating and be done with it.
Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
proverbial grain of salt.
#53
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Re: Car Buying Advice
Ian S wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Ian S wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dennis W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
>
> problems.
>
>>>>>>>The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
>>>>>>some.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
>>>>
>>>>Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
>>>
>>>Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
>
> a
>
>>>Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
>>>
>>>>The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
>>>
>>>Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
>
> independent
>
>>>German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>>
>>Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>>
>>So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
>>exaggerating and be done with it.
>
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
>
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
>
>
So True
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Ian S wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dennis W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
>
> problems.
>
>>>>>>>The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
>>>>>>some.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
>>>>
>>>>Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
>>>
>>>Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
>
> a
>
>>>Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
>>>
>>>>The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
>>>
>>>Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
>
> independent
>
>>>German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>>
>>Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>>
>>So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
>>exaggerating and be done with it.
>
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
>
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
>
>
So True
#54
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Re: Car Buying Advice
Ian S wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Ian S wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dennis W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
>
> problems.
>
>>>>>>>The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
>>>>>>some.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
>>>>
>>>>Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
>>>
>>>Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
>
> a
>
>>>Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
>>>
>>>>The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
>>>
>>>Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
>
> independent
>
>>>German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>>
>>Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>>
>>So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
>>exaggerating and be done with it.
>
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
>
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
>
>
So True
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Ian S wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dennis W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
>
> problems.
>
>>>>>>>The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
>>>>>>some.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
>>>>
>>>>Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
>>>
>>>Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
>
> a
>
>>>Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
>>>
>>>>The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
>>>
>>>Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
>
> independent
>
>>>German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>>
>>Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>>
>>So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
>>exaggerating and be done with it.
>
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
>
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
>
>
So True
#55
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Posts: n/a
Re: Car Buying Advice
Ian S wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Ian S wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dennis W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
>
> problems.
>
>>>>>>>The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
>>>>>>some.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
>>>>
>>>>Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
>>>
>>>Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
>
> a
>
>>>Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
>>>
>>>>The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
>>>
>>>Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
>
> independent
>
>>>German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>>
>>Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>>
>>So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
>>exaggerating and be done with it.
>
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
>
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
>
>
So True
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Ian S wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ian S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dennis W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
>
> problems.
>
>>>>>>>The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
>>>>>>some.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
>>>>
>>>>Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
>>>
>>>Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
>
> a
>
>>>Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
>>>
>>>>The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
>>>
>>>Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
>
> independent
>
>>>German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
>>
>>Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
>>
>>So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
>>exaggerating and be done with it.
>
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
>
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
>
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
>
>
So True
#56
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Re: Car Buying Advice
Ian S wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Ian S wrote:
> > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
> problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > > some.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > > >
> > > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> > >
> > > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
> a
> > > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > > >
> > > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> > >
> > > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
> independent
> > > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
> >
> > Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
> >
> > So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> > exaggerating and be done with it.
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
This is different for Mercedes and BMW, how?
Lexus and Infiniti also have this sort of charge for TB replacement.
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
LOL. Yeah, pick some variety of faults, the same sorts and spectrum as
every other manufacturer, and claim somehow that Audi is different.
Good one.
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
2001 S4. Never so much as a hiccup. A fine car, and I'd own another.
Sold it for more than I purchased it for, in fact.
How's that crow taste, Ian?
E.P.
#57
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Re: Car Buying Advice
Ian S wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Ian S wrote:
> > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
> problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > > some.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > > >
> > > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> > >
> > > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
> a
> > > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > > >
> > > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> > >
> > > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
> independent
> > > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
> >
> > Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
> >
> > So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> > exaggerating and be done with it.
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
This is different for Mercedes and BMW, how?
Lexus and Infiniti also have this sort of charge for TB replacement.
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
LOL. Yeah, pick some variety of faults, the same sorts and spectrum as
every other manufacturer, and claim somehow that Audi is different.
Good one.
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
2001 S4. Never so much as a hiccup. A fine car, and I'd own another.
Sold it for more than I purchased it for, in fact.
How's that crow taste, Ian?
E.P.
#58
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Re: Car Buying Advice
Ian S wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138483983.854849.33950@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Ian S wrote:
> > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1138476260.350718.109630@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1138406754.819264.163430@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian S wrote:
> > > > > > > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1138396766.752191.126840@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dennis W wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Cam belt and seals are a common Audi problem. Very common!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People who change out the belts on schedule don't have
> problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The cost of the cam belt change on the A4 IS a problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It doesn't cost any more than a comparable car, and cost less than
> > > > > > some.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really? For which cars, does a TB change typically run over US$1000?
> > > >
> > > > Not many, UNLESS you go to a stealership. Then it's "most of them."
> > >
> > > Hardly. Google and you'll find the typical cost even for something like
> a
> > > Lexus is under $500. And yes, that's at a dealer.
> > > >
> > > > The "typical" A4 TB change is not $1000.
> > >
> > > Sez you. I have a receipt showing over $800 for mine done at an
> independent
> > > German car shop NOT at a dealer. The dealer will charge well over $1000.
> >
> > Last time I checked, $800 is not equal to $1000.
> >
> > So, a "typical" TB change is not $1000. Just admit you were
> > exaggerating and be done with it.
>
> Except I'm not typical. I was planning to do it myself as I have the
> expertise but, due to time constraints, shopped around to find an
> independent garage that specialized in Audis. The typical A4 owner would
> have it done at the dealer and pay at least $1,000.
This is different for Mercedes and BMW, how?
Lexus and Infiniti also have this sort of charge for TB replacement.
> The fact of the matter is that the A4 suffers from a variety of problems
> including TB failure (even a class-action lawsuit), control arm failure, oil
> leaks, cooling system problems, coil problems - the list is long and the
> repairs fairly costly. Some like the coil fiasco have been rectified and
> newer models may not suffer from the ailments of the previous models.
LOL. Yeah, pick some variety of faults, the same sorts and spectrum as
every other manufacturer, and claim somehow that Audi is different.
Good one.
> I notice that nowhere have you claimed to actually own an A4 so perhaps we
> should take your pontificating about the A4's reliability with the
> proverbial grain of salt.
2001 S4. Never so much as a hiccup. A fine car, and I'd own another.
Sold it for more than I purchased it for, in fact.
How's that crow taste, Ian?
E.P.