Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
#21
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Stu Hedith" <stuhedith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee wrote:
> > so all the people who buy SUVs and trucks are stupid, what about luxury
> > cars. if your concerned about ice get snow tires. last time I check
> > Germany gets snow and ice and there two biggest companies for making
cars
> > only make RWD, (minus the British Mini and DC Smart Cars).
> >
>
> First off, I want to address the RWD truck arguement. It would be
> assanine to make one FWD. The whole idea behind a truck is to carry
> stuff in the bed. If someone over loaded the truck there would be very
> little weight over the drive wheels. THAT is why they are RWD. AND by
the way, they SUCK in the snow because there is very little weight over the
drive wheels when the bed is empty. Most people with RWD trucks carry
weight in the back during snow season (buckets of sand, stacked logs, etc.)
to improve the traction. You are missing the point when talking about
luxury cars as well. It's not the fact that they are
> luxury cars, but it's that they are sports sedans or performance
> oriented vehichles. RWD is preferred over FWD in competitive driving.
> AWD is better, but it costs more. Some people prefer not to pay for it.
> Doesn't make them stupid. Their priorities are just in different
places.
>
> Stu
>
most people that have trucks put sand bags in the back I had to do this with
my old Trooper. I never said they were stupid that was someone else I like
RWD cars myself, I just throw on some snow tires.
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> Tha Ghee wrote:
> > so all the people who buy SUVs and trucks are stupid, what about luxury
> > cars. if your concerned about ice get snow tires. last time I check
> > Germany gets snow and ice and there two biggest companies for making
cars
> > only make RWD, (minus the British Mini and DC Smart Cars).
> >
>
> First off, I want to address the RWD truck arguement. It would be
> assanine to make one FWD. The whole idea behind a truck is to carry
> stuff in the bed. If someone over loaded the truck there would be very
> little weight over the drive wheels. THAT is why they are RWD. AND by
the way, they SUCK in the snow because there is very little weight over the
drive wheels when the bed is empty. Most people with RWD trucks carry
weight in the back during snow season (buckets of sand, stacked logs, etc.)
to improve the traction. You are missing the point when talking about
luxury cars as well. It's not the fact that they are
> luxury cars, but it's that they are sports sedans or performance
> oriented vehichles. RWD is preferred over FWD in competitive driving.
> AWD is better, but it costs more. Some people prefer not to pay for it.
> Doesn't make them stupid. Their priorities are just in different
places.
>
> Stu
>
most people that have trucks put sand bags in the back I had to do this with
my old Trooper. I never said they were stupid that was someone else I like
RWD cars myself, I just throw on some snow tires.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Greg Reed" <inet_user@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> With a FWD car, a loss of traction under acceleration results in a loss of
> steering control. With a RWD car, not only can you retain steering
control
> when traction is lost under acceleration, but you can use the throttle at
> the limit to control the attitude of the car through the corner. (And "at
> the limit" can be as slow as 20 or 30 mph in snowy conditions, so the
> benefits aren't just for road racers.) Why do you suppose that *all* race
> cars and purpose-built high-performance street cars are either RWD or AWD?
> The only performance-oriented cars with FWD that I can think of off the
top
> of my head are souped-up versions of plebian commuter cars -- not car that
> were designe from the ground up to have excellent performance
> characteristics. A well-designed car that gives its driver performance
> benefits in high-speed driving on dry roads also gives its driver
> performance benefits in slow-speed driving on slippery roads.
>
> FWD isn't popular because of its handling characteristics. FWD is popular
> because unibody construction is a cheap way to build a car, and FWD is a
> much easier layout to implement in unibody construction than RWD.
>
> When a FWD car wears a Porsche or Corvette badge, come talk to me about
the
> performance superiority of FWD.
>
> - Greg Reed
>
> --
> 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 9-Pass sedan
> (FS: http://www.dataspire.com/caddy)
> 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro 5-Speed sedan
> 2000 Oldsmobile Intrigue
> 2001 Chevy Astro AWD (wife's)
>
thank you someone on here with some sense and knows where the drive wheels
should be. AWD is great in rain/winter conditions but true performance cars
need the tires to spin in the back.
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> With a FWD car, a loss of traction under acceleration results in a loss of
> steering control. With a RWD car, not only can you retain steering
control
> when traction is lost under acceleration, but you can use the throttle at
> the limit to control the attitude of the car through the corner. (And "at
> the limit" can be as slow as 20 or 30 mph in snowy conditions, so the
> benefits aren't just for road racers.) Why do you suppose that *all* race
> cars and purpose-built high-performance street cars are either RWD or AWD?
> The only performance-oriented cars with FWD that I can think of off the
top
> of my head are souped-up versions of plebian commuter cars -- not car that
> were designe from the ground up to have excellent performance
> characteristics. A well-designed car that gives its driver performance
> benefits in high-speed driving on dry roads also gives its driver
> performance benefits in slow-speed driving on slippery roads.
>
> FWD isn't popular because of its handling characteristics. FWD is popular
> because unibody construction is a cheap way to build a car, and FWD is a
> much easier layout to implement in unibody construction than RWD.
>
> When a FWD car wears a Porsche or Corvette badge, come talk to me about
the
> performance superiority of FWD.
>
> - Greg Reed
>
> --
> 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 9-Pass sedan
> (FS: http://www.dataspire.com/caddy)
> 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro 5-Speed sedan
> 2000 Oldsmobile Intrigue
> 2001 Chevy Astro AWD (wife's)
>
thank you someone on here with some sense and knows where the drive wheels
should be. AWD is great in rain/winter conditions but true performance cars
need the tires to spin in the back.
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>60% of truck/SUVs are not AWD/4x4.
I don;t know where this stat came from or how true it is so I can't really
argue it. I'd like to see a source though. Moreover, a RWD truck/suv is pretty
much useless in heavy winter conditions. Several people have already pointed
out the -fact- that many truck owners find it neccesary to weigh down the bed
under slippery driving conditions to help maintain traction.
> the new DC are just coming iwht AWD
DC? I assume you mean Daimler Chrsyler? MB has been offering 4Matic since the
early 1990s, it's not new.
>BMW has dabbled in AWD and only has it on one line of model.
AWD is avaliable on the 3-series, the X3, and the X5, that 3 model lines. Rumor
has it an AWD 5-series is in the werks as well.
I don;t know where this stat came from or how true it is so I can't really
argue it. I'd like to see a source though. Moreover, a RWD truck/suv is pretty
much useless in heavy winter conditions. Several people have already pointed
out the -fact- that many truck owners find it neccesary to weigh down the bed
under slippery driving conditions to help maintain traction.
> the new DC are just coming iwht AWD
DC? I assume you mean Daimler Chrsyler? MB has been offering 4Matic since the
early 1990s, it's not new.
>BMW has dabbled in AWD and only has it on one line of model.
AWD is avaliable on the 3-series, the X3, and the X5, that 3 model lines. Rumor
has it an AWD 5-series is in the werks as well.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:05:44 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Greg Reed" <inet_user@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> With a FWD car, a loss of traction under acceleration results in a loss of
>> steering control. With a RWD car, not only can you retain steering
>control
>> when traction is lost under acceleration, but you can use the throttle at
>> the limit to control the attitude of the car through the corner. (And "at
>> the limit" can be as slow as 20 or 30 mph in snowy conditions, so the
>> benefits aren't just for road racers.) Why do you suppose that *all* race
>> cars and purpose-built high-performance street cars are either RWD or AWD?
>> The only performance-oriented cars with FWD that I can think of off the
>top
>> of my head are souped-up versions of plebian commuter cars -- not car that
>> were designe from the ground up to have excellent performance
>> characteristics. A well-designed car that gives its driver performance
>> benefits in high-speed driving on dry roads also gives its driver
>> performance benefits in slow-speed driving on slippery roads.
>>
>> FWD isn't popular because of its handling characteristics. FWD is popular
>> because unibody construction is a cheap way to build a car, and FWD is a
>> much easier layout to implement in unibody construction than RWD.
>>
>> When a FWD car wears a Porsche or Corvette badge, come talk to me about
>the
>> performance superiority of FWD.
>>
>> - Greg Reed
>>
>> --
>> 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 9-Pass sedan
>> (FS: http://www.dataspire.com/caddy)
>> 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro 5-Speed sedan
>> 2000 Oldsmobile Intrigue
>> 2001 Chevy Astro AWD (wife's)
>>
>thank you someone on here with some sense and knows where the drive wheels
>should be. AWD is great in rain/winter conditions but true performance cars
>need the tires to spin in the back.
>
A box of rocks has a higher level of comprehension than you.
Here's what he actually said (and to which I agree):
"Why do you suppose that *all* race cars and purpose-built high-performance
street cars are either RWD or AWD?"
>"Greg Reed" <inet_user@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> With a FWD car, a loss of traction under acceleration results in a loss of
>> steering control. With a RWD car, not only can you retain steering
>control
>> when traction is lost under acceleration, but you can use the throttle at
>> the limit to control the attitude of the car through the corner. (And "at
>> the limit" can be as slow as 20 or 30 mph in snowy conditions, so the
>> benefits aren't just for road racers.) Why do you suppose that *all* race
>> cars and purpose-built high-performance street cars are either RWD or AWD?
>> The only performance-oriented cars with FWD that I can think of off the
>top
>> of my head are souped-up versions of plebian commuter cars -- not car that
>> were designe from the ground up to have excellent performance
>> characteristics. A well-designed car that gives its driver performance
>> benefits in high-speed driving on dry roads also gives its driver
>> performance benefits in slow-speed driving on slippery roads.
>>
>> FWD isn't popular because of its handling characteristics. FWD is popular
>> because unibody construction is a cheap way to build a car, and FWD is a
>> much easier layout to implement in unibody construction than RWD.
>>
>> When a FWD car wears a Porsche or Corvette badge, come talk to me about
>the
>> performance superiority of FWD.
>>
>> - Greg Reed
>>
>> --
>> 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 9-Pass sedan
>> (FS: http://www.dataspire.com/caddy)
>> 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro 5-Speed sedan
>> 2000 Oldsmobile Intrigue
>> 2001 Chevy Astro AWD (wife's)
>>
>thank you someone on here with some sense and knows where the drive wheels
>should be. AWD is great in rain/winter conditions but true performance cars
>need the tires to spin in the back.
>
A box of rocks has a higher level of comprehension than you.
Here's what he actually said (and to which I agree):
"Why do you suppose that *all* race cars and purpose-built high-performance
street cars are either RWD or AWD?"
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Try to sell RWD cars in Canada and the northern tier of the U.S. and see
what you get... SUVs are popular because of a fad-- they're perceived as
safer because they are larger and heavier, but this doesn't necessarily
equal safety-- especially considering their poor performance and handling
characteristics...
"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@***.net> wrote in message
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> > Obviously there are a lot of stupid people in the U.S. that still by RWD
> > vehicles.
> >
> > The facts have been documented for almost 40 years. When GM came out
with
> > their first FWD cars in the late 60s (like Olds Tornado), they
documented
> > with driver testing that FWD vehicles could safely be driven at over
twice
> > the speed of a comparable RWD vehicle on ice.
> >
> so all the people who buy SUVs and trucks are stupid, what about luxury
> cars. if your concerned about ice get snow tires. last time I check
> Germany gets snow and ice and there two biggest companies for making cars
> only make RWD, (minus the British Mini and DC Smart Cars).
>
>
what you get... SUVs are popular because of a fad-- they're perceived as
safer because they are larger and heavier, but this doesn't necessarily
equal safety-- especially considering their poor performance and handling
characteristics...
"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@***.net> wrote in message
> news:HCgWb.31604$fZ6.633@lakeread06...
> > Obviously there are a lot of stupid people in the U.S. that still by RWD
> > vehicles.
> >
> > The facts have been documented for almost 40 years. When GM came out
with
> > their first FWD cars in the late 60s (like Olds Tornado), they
documented
> > with driver testing that FWD vehicles could safely be driven at over
twice
> > the speed of a comparable RWD vehicle on ice.
> >
> so all the people who buy SUVs and trucks are stupid, what about luxury
> cars. if your concerned about ice get snow tires. last time I check
> Germany gets snow and ice and there two biggest companies for making cars
> only make RWD, (minus the British Mini and DC Smart Cars).
>
>
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He should try trading in a RWD-only pickup (redneck mobile) in the Rocky
Mountain states. I know my brother had a RWD S-10 when he moved up to Utah
and the resale value up there was half of what it is in the South because
nobody would EVER buy a RWD-only pickup in the mountains.
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >60% of truck/SUVs are not AWD/4x4.
>
> I don;t know where this stat came from or how true it is so I can't really
> argue it. I'd like to see a source though. Moreover, a RWD truck/suv is
pretty
> much useless in heavy winter conditions. Several people have already
pointed
> out the -fact- that many truck owners find it neccesary to weigh down the
bed
> under slippery driving conditions to help maintain traction.
>
> > the new DC are just coming iwht AWD
>
> DC? I assume you mean Daimler Chrsyler? MB has been offering 4Matic since
the
> early 1990s, it's not new.
>
> >BMW has dabbled in AWD and only has it on one line of model.
>
> AWD is avaliable on the 3-series, the X3, and the X5, that 3 model lines.
Rumor
> has it an AWD 5-series is in the werks as well.
Mountain states. I know my brother had a RWD S-10 when he moved up to Utah
and the resale value up there was half of what it is in the South because
nobody would EVER buy a RWD-only pickup in the mountains.
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >60% of truck/SUVs are not AWD/4x4.
>
> I don;t know where this stat came from or how true it is so I can't really
> argue it. I'd like to see a source though. Moreover, a RWD truck/suv is
pretty
> much useless in heavy winter conditions. Several people have already
pointed
> out the -fact- that many truck owners find it neccesary to weigh down the
bed
> under slippery driving conditions to help maintain traction.
>
> > the new DC are just coming iwht AWD
>
> DC? I assume you mean Daimler Chrsyler? MB has been offering 4Matic since
the
> early 1990s, it's not new.
>
> >BMW has dabbled in AWD and only has it on one line of model.
>
> AWD is avaliable on the 3-series, the X3, and the X5, that 3 model lines.
Rumor
> has it an AWD 5-series is in the werks as well.
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Unibody construction is a cheaper way to build cars, which is why almost all
cars INCLUDING RWD throwbacks like the Ford Mustang, etc... use it. FWD
isn't used just because of the unibody construction issue... it is also more
efficient with a transverse-mounted engine because the number of turns in
the powerline reduces overall efficiency due to friction. It isn't
preferred on higher-powered vehicles because of weight transfer. Without
very stiff rear springs, acceleration causes the weight to transfer to the
rear wheels, which would cause a loss of traction in a FWD car.
The problem you mention of loss of control is the reason why FWD is deemed
as safer-- it's a proven fact that FWD vehicles are more
directionally-stable than RWD vehicles since they pull the mass in the
direction the front wheels are pointing at all times. RWD vehicles push the
vehicle, and in a loss-of-control situation, the moment arm that this
produces can make the vehicle veer out of control unless the power is
reduced. Experienced drivers can take advantage of this phenomenon to use
the throttle (gently) to control the car's yaw during this loss-of-control.
In a FWD car, if the same skid occurs, a non-experienced driver need only to
point the car where they intend to go and stay on the throttle to pull the
car that way once the tires grip the road. So, the best handling design
depends upon the experience level of the driver in this case.
As to the question about Porsche's or Corvette's being FWD: I'd like to see
one of them pull up next to a souped-up riced-out Civic that can pull
quarters in the 10-second-range to see what opinon they have of FWD vehicles
then... just remember that there are always exceptions.
"Greg Reed" <inet_user@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:402a70df$1@post.newsfeed.com...
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>
> With a FWD car, a loss of traction under acceleration results in a loss of
> steering control. With a RWD car, not only can you retain steering
control
> when traction is lost under acceleration, but you can use the throttle at
> the limit to control the attitude of the car through the corner. (And "at
> the limit" can be as slow as 20 or 30 mph in snowy conditions, so the
> benefits aren't just for road racers.) Why do you suppose that *all* race
> cars and purpose-built high-performance street cars are either RWD or AWD?
> The only performance-oriented cars with FWD that I can think of off the
top
> of my head are souped-up versions of plebian commuter cars -- not car that
> were designe from the ground up to have excellent performance
> characteristics. A well-designed car that gives its driver performance
> benefits in high-speed driving on dry roads also gives its driver
> performance benefits in slow-speed driving on slippery roads.
>
> FWD isn't popular because of its handling characteristics. FWD is popular
> because unibody construction is a cheap way to build a car, and FWD is a
> much easier layout to implement in unibody construction than RWD.
>
> When a FWD car wears a Porsche or Corvette badge, come talk to me about
the
> performance superiority of FWD.
>
> - Greg Reed
>
> --
> 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 9-Pass sedan
> (FS: http://www.dataspire.com/caddy)
> 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro 5-Speed sedan
> 2000 Oldsmobile Intrigue
> 2001 Chevy Astro AWD (wife's)
>
> Jay Jones wrote:
> > Obviously there are a lot of stupid people in the U.S. that still by
> > RWD vehicles.
> >
> > The facts have been documented for almost 40 years. When GM came out
> > with their first FWD cars in the late 60s (like Olds Tornado), they
> > documented with driver testing that FWD vehicles could safely be
> > driven at over twice the speed of a comparable RWD vehicle on ice.
> >
> >
> > "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:40298be4$0$73081$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> >> "Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:busbrq$ia82$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi...
> >>> Tha Ghee wrote:
> >>>> if RWD sucks, then explain why all PU truck are RWD and the non
> >>>> 4x4s do pretty well in the snow it's about driving skill not the
> >>>> wheels motivating.
> >>>
> >>> Well, ask any professional driver and they will tell you RWD is
> >>> inferiour to FWD in snow/ice. Here we got snow maybe 4 months (or
> >>> more, depending on the latitude) of the whole year (Finland), and
> >>> at least based on what I've drove (my dad has a MB, my mom a BMW,
> >>> and myself an Audi), FWD is much easier to handle in ice/snow
> >>> conditions. It also won't get stuck so easily on uphills, when
> >>> there's ice on the ground.
> >>>
> >>> And looking how taxis drive, those with even MB won't say RWD is
> >>> better.
> >>>
> >>> - Yak
> >>
> >> ok but then explain why the top 3 selling vehicles in America are
> >> all RWD and there sold in Midwest and it snow there a lot??
>
>
>
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cars INCLUDING RWD throwbacks like the Ford Mustang, etc... use it. FWD
isn't used just because of the unibody construction issue... it is also more
efficient with a transverse-mounted engine because the number of turns in
the powerline reduces overall efficiency due to friction. It isn't
preferred on higher-powered vehicles because of weight transfer. Without
very stiff rear springs, acceleration causes the weight to transfer to the
rear wheels, which would cause a loss of traction in a FWD car.
The problem you mention of loss of control is the reason why FWD is deemed
as safer-- it's a proven fact that FWD vehicles are more
directionally-stable than RWD vehicles since they pull the mass in the
direction the front wheels are pointing at all times. RWD vehicles push the
vehicle, and in a loss-of-control situation, the moment arm that this
produces can make the vehicle veer out of control unless the power is
reduced. Experienced drivers can take advantage of this phenomenon to use
the throttle (gently) to control the car's yaw during this loss-of-control.
In a FWD car, if the same skid occurs, a non-experienced driver need only to
point the car where they intend to go and stay on the throttle to pull the
car that way once the tires grip the road. So, the best handling design
depends upon the experience level of the driver in this case.
As to the question about Porsche's or Corvette's being FWD: I'd like to see
one of them pull up next to a souped-up riced-out Civic that can pull
quarters in the 10-second-range to see what opinon they have of FWD vehicles
then... just remember that there are always exceptions.
"Greg Reed" <inet_user@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:402a70df$1@post.newsfeed.com...
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>
> With a FWD car, a loss of traction under acceleration results in a loss of
> steering control. With a RWD car, not only can you retain steering
control
> when traction is lost under acceleration, but you can use the throttle at
> the limit to control the attitude of the car through the corner. (And "at
> the limit" can be as slow as 20 or 30 mph in snowy conditions, so the
> benefits aren't just for road racers.) Why do you suppose that *all* race
> cars and purpose-built high-performance street cars are either RWD or AWD?
> The only performance-oriented cars with FWD that I can think of off the
top
> of my head are souped-up versions of plebian commuter cars -- not car that
> were designe from the ground up to have excellent performance
> characteristics. A well-designed car that gives its driver performance
> benefits in high-speed driving on dry roads also gives its driver
> performance benefits in slow-speed driving on slippery roads.
>
> FWD isn't popular because of its handling characteristics. FWD is popular
> because unibody construction is a cheap way to build a car, and FWD is a
> much easier layout to implement in unibody construction than RWD.
>
> When a FWD car wears a Porsche or Corvette badge, come talk to me about
the
> performance superiority of FWD.
>
> - Greg Reed
>
> --
> 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 9-Pass sedan
> (FS: http://www.dataspire.com/caddy)
> 1989 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro 5-Speed sedan
> 2000 Oldsmobile Intrigue
> 2001 Chevy Astro AWD (wife's)
>
> Jay Jones wrote:
> > Obviously there are a lot of stupid people in the U.S. that still by
> > RWD vehicles.
> >
> > The facts have been documented for almost 40 years. When GM came out
> > with their first FWD cars in the late 60s (like Olds Tornado), they
> > documented with driver testing that FWD vehicles could safely be
> > driven at over twice the speed of a comparable RWD vehicle on ice.
> >
> >
> > "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:40298be4$0$73081$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> >> "Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:busbrq$ia82$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi...
> >>> Tha Ghee wrote:
> >>>> if RWD sucks, then explain why all PU truck are RWD and the non
> >>>> 4x4s do pretty well in the snow it's about driving skill not the
> >>>> wheels motivating.
> >>>
> >>> Well, ask any professional driver and they will tell you RWD is
> >>> inferiour to FWD in snow/ice. Here we got snow maybe 4 months (or
> >>> more, depending on the latitude) of the whole year (Finland), and
> >>> at least based on what I've drove (my dad has a MB, my mom a BMW,
> >>> and myself an Audi), FWD is much easier to handle in ice/snow
> >>> conditions. It also won't get stuck so easily on uphills, when
> >>> there's ice on the ground.
> >>>
> >>> And looking how taxis drive, those with even MB won't say RWD is
> >>> better.
> >>>
> >>> - Yak
> >>
> >> ok but then explain why the top 3 selling vehicles in America are
> >> all RWD and there sold in Midwest and it snow there a lot??
>
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>AWD is great in rain/winter conditions but true performance cars need the
tires to spin in the back>>
More and more high performance cars are moving to AWD every year, it's a
superior system, it's simply more expensive to offer. If you can honestly sit
here and say you think that RWD is better than a properly tuned AWD car, you're
smoking some crack.
tires to spin in the back>>
More and more high performance cars are moving to AWD every year, it's a
superior system, it's simply more expensive to offer. If you can honestly sit
here and say you think that RWD is better than a properly tuned AWD car, you're
smoking some crack.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>As to the question about Porsche's or Corvette's being FWD: I'd like to see
>one of them pull up next to a souped-up riced-out Civic that can pull
>quarters in the 10-second-range to see what opinon they have of FWD vehicles
You had me agreeing with up to this statement. You find me a 10 second Honda
Civic that isn't a tub with a civic style body on it and a single seat inside,
the we can have this discussion. In fact you find me a streetable Civic that
runs 10s and I'll show you a streetable Porsche that runs 8s.
>one of them pull up next to a souped-up riced-out Civic that can pull
>quarters in the 10-second-range to see what opinon they have of FWD vehicles
You had me agreeing with up to this statement. You find me a 10 second Honda
Civic that isn't a tub with a civic style body on it and a single seat inside,
the we can have this discussion. In fact you find me a streetable Civic that
runs 10s and I'll show you a streetable Porsche that runs 8s.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>He should try trading in a RWD-only pickup (redneck mobile) in the Rocky
>Mountain states. I know my brother had a RWD S-10 when he moved up to Utah
>and the resale value up there was half of what it is in the South
My dad has a friend who lives in Park City. They'd laugh you out of town if you
bought a 2x2. Try to get out of town on a morning when the roads haven't been
salted yet in a truck that's only got 2WD! He's got a Subaru Outback with the
H6 engine that seems to work OK, but he's complaining that he needs more ground
clearence for when he needs to drive during snowstorms and there can be as much
as a foot of snow on the roads. As it so happens, he's also had a FWD car on an
icey road. Other than a set of high-quality snow tires the car was stock, and
he said it would've been much worse in the RWD cars he'd owned before.
>Mountain states. I know my brother had a RWD S-10 when he moved up to Utah
>and the resale value up there was half of what it is in the South
My dad has a friend who lives in Park City. They'd laugh you out of town if you
bought a 2x2. Try to get out of town on a morning when the roads haven't been
salted yet in a truck that's only got 2WD! He's got a Subaru Outback with the
H6 engine that seems to work OK, but he's complaining that he needs more ground
clearence for when he needs to drive during snowstorms and there can be as much
as a foot of snow on the roads. As it so happens, he's also had a FWD car on an
icey road. Other than a set of high-quality snow tires the car was stock, and
he said it would've been much worse in the RWD cars he'd owned before.