Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

Howdy,
Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
along with the controller.
Thanks,
Bill

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:

>Howdy,
>Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
>Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
>power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
>at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
>models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
>along with the controller.
>Thanks,
>Bill

You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>

Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
like an unusual project!)

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:

>Howdy,
>Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
>Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
>power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
>at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
>models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
>along with the controller.
>Thanks,
>Bill

You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>

Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
like an unusual project!)

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:

>Howdy,
>Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
>Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
>power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
>at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
>models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
>along with the controller.
>Thanks,
>Bill

You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>

Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
like an unusual project!)

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:

>Howdy,
>Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
>Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
>power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
>at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
>models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
>along with the controller.
>Thanks,
>Bill

You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>

Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
like an unusual project!)

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

PeterD wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Howdy,
> >Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> >Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> >power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> >at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> >models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> >along with the controller.
> >Thanks,
> >Bill
>
> You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>
>
> Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
> like an unusual project!)

It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
half the fuel.
The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
that I could get a new in crate engine.
Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
turning to you all for assistance.
Thanks,
Bill

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

PeterD wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Howdy,
> >Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> >Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> >power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> >at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> >models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> >along with the controller.
> >Thanks,
> >Bill
>
> You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>
>
> Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
> like an unusual project!)

It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
half the fuel.
The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
that I could get a new in crate engine.
Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
turning to you all for assistance.
Thanks,
Bill

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

PeterD wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Howdy,
> >Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> >Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> >power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> >at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> >models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> >along with the controller.
> >Thanks,
> >Bill
>
> You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>
>
> Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
> like an unusual project!)

It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
half the fuel.
The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
that I could get a new in crate engine.
Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
turning to you all for assistance.
Thanks,
Bill

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

PeterD wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2006 17:09:27 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Howdy,
> >Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> >Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> >power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> >at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> >models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> >along with the controller.
> >Thanks,
> >Bill
>
> You realize that 'over "the pond"' is relative, don't you? <bg>
>
> Can you describe your plans more fully? (I'm just interested, seems
> like an unusual project!)

It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
half the fuel.
The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
that I could get a new in crate engine.
Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
turning to you all for assistance.
Thanks,
Bill

Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
 

On 22 Dec 2006 17:59:58 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:

>

>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill

Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.

You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.

Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)

Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>