Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Drew,

I'm not sure about the "clackity clack" aspect, but I recommend using
Valvoline MaxLife in the car at your next oil change. * I used this in mine
for the first time around 6000 miles ago (91, 200QT, 149,000 miles now). I
noticed an immediate improvement in power, the engine runs cooler (based on
oil temp gauge, the engine temp is getting fixed tomorrow along with quite a
few other things), and I went from 24 mpg to 25 (not huge, but, it is an
improvement). Also, it doesn't use a drop of oil after 3000 miles (as a
slight disclaimer to this, I never bothered to check the oil before I
started my new job {see below} so I don't know if this is new with this oil,
or if it's always been that way). With the first oil change with MaxLife, I
also did a Valvoline engine treatment, this may help with the "clackity
clack", it depends on what's causing it. The other high mileage oils and
treatments may do the same, but I have no experience with them.

Hope it helps
Bill

* Just to be completely upfront here, I am a manager of a Valvoline Instant
Oil Change. Started around 4 months ago which is why I never bothered to
check my oil, before then I came from a completely different line of work.
I know this can be considered a conflict of interest, or self promotion, or
whatever, but except for those of you that live in the southern New
Hampshire area and don't do your own oil changes, it really doesn't benefit
me so please keep the flames to a minimum :)

"armstrong" <armstrng@netexpress.net> wrote in message
news:bgp6f8$lei@library1.airnews.net...
> Dear Gurus:
>
> I am driving an 1986 5000 turbo with 81,000 miles on it. Just within the
> last 3-400 miles, the car has developed a rather loud lifter/valve
clatter.
> The card is due for an oil change and I wondered if anyone has used any
of
> the "miracle" oil additives with any success. Looking for product
> endorsements good and bad. Please share your experiences.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Drew Bodeen
>
>

86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Dear Gurus:

I am driving an 1986 5000 turbo with 81,000 miles on it. Just within the
last 3-400 miles, the car has developed a rather loud lifter/valve clatter.
The card is due for an oil change and I wondered if anyone has used any of
the "miracle" oil additives with any success. Looking for product
endorsements good and bad. Please share your experiences.

Thanks in advance,

Drew Bodeen

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Drew,
You aren't, by chance, using a Fram oil filter are you? A clatter like that
sounds like oil starvation, and although the charts at your local FLAPS
(friendly local auto parts store)will tell you that there is a Fram filter
for your car, there have been a number of MC-engined cars on Audifans that
have been damaged when the filter media in that Fram filter collapses, gets
sucked into the engine and causes oil starvation.
My '87 had a much slower onset of valve tapping. I use Mobil 1 15W50 and at
the last oil change I put in some engine flush stuff from FLAPS, ran it for
15 minutes and then drained it out. Has much quiter lifters now. I've
heard of using Marvel Mystery Oil, and some have had good results with ATF -
just don't add these and take your car out for a spirited run - the engine
flush instructions were to let the engine idle only.
You might also consider that an exhaust manifold leak will give you a
ticking sound as well.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Bill/Steve/Doug:

Thanks for your replies. Doug, it is my lifters that are making the
"clickety clack" sound. And Steve you are right on about the Fram oil
filter. I used one of the new "easy grip" filters last oil change. (Is this
common with all Fram filters for other cars?) This is alarming. My car
before the last oil change sounded perfect. Any idea how much damage the
"you can pay know or you can pay me later" filter inflicted on my lifters?
Needless to say I will not use the Fram filter again. Bill, thanks for your
honesty. I have heard many good things about Maxlife oil and thought about
giving it a try this oil change. Has anyone used Lucas oil products? It is
an additive that replaces a quart of oil and supposed to reduce "dry"
startups significantly.

Thanks again,

Drew

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Steve Sears wrote:
> Oooooh. I was hoping that I was wrong. Sorry.
> You can search on Audifans under "Fram damage" - there's some horror stories
> there. I believe that one of the listers is looking into a lawsuit - he has
> documented the damage to his engine quite well. Best thing to do would be
> to yank that piece of junk off and replace it with a decent (read: OEM)
> filter. I realize that the ones at the dealer are expensive, but you can
> get the filters in bulk for cheap from Blau (www.audiquattroparts.com) or
> zzmotors.com - to name a couple. The problem is that the filter media in
> the Frams collapses under the high oil flow rate required by the MC engine.
> In the best case, the collapsed media is only blocking the flow through the
> filter. Worst case is that some of the collapsed stuffing has been sent
> into your engine - blocking oil passages in there - you can read about the
> worst case on Audifans - scary. You might take your car to a place that can
> totally flush out the inside of the engine (maybe drop the oil pan) - you'd
> have to explain your dilemma - get in contact with the guy on Audifans and
> whatever you do - don't lose that filter (you and the rest of the
> "plaintiffs" might need it).
> Weirdest thing is that one of the people on the Audifans q-list had an
> opportunity to check out the Champion Racing RS6 in a shop recently - there,
> perched up top for all to see was the bright orange Fram - hmmm.
> Sponsorship maybe?
> I've only used Lucas' power steering stop leak on my 1980 5k - you know, the
> stuff that's "guaranteed"? - after going through an entire bottle of the
> stuff I took it back to the FLAPS where I got it - "Sorry" says the parts
> monkey, "we can't give you your money back (even though it says it right
> there on the bottle) - here's another bottle". The darn stuff was so thick
> that my ps pump would almost burn the belt starting up in the winter. After
> that I have viewed Lucas as being in the same class as Slick 50 et al.
> Interesting gear demonstration though - not bad for room temperature on
> plastic gears at low rpm. It would probably be more important to fill your
> oil filter before you install it - that reduces a serious blip in the oil
> pressure.
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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> "armstrong" <armstrng@netexpress.net> wrote in message
> news:bgr3md$19n@library2.airnews.net...
>
>>Bill/Steve/Doug:
>>
>>Thanks for your replies. Doug, it is my lifters that are making the
>>"clickety clack" sound. And Steve you are right on about the Fram oil
>>filter. I used one of the new "easy grip" filters last oil change. (Is
>
> this
>
>>common with all Fram filters for other cars?) This is alarming. My car
>>before the last oil change sounded perfect. Any idea how much damage the
>>"you can pay know or you can pay me later" filter inflicted on my lifters?
>>Needless to say I will not use the Fram filter again. Bill, thanks for
>
> your
>
>>honesty. I have heard many good things about Maxlife oil and thought about
>>giving it a try this oil change. Has anyone used Lucas oil products? It is
>>an additive that replaces a quart of oil and supposed to reduce "dry"
>>startups significantly.
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
I never use anything but oem filters. Here in the uk they can be as
cheap as aftermarket if you go to the right place.

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Steve:

I have been a long time lurker and have enjoyed your many replys to other
questions. I wondered if I could pick your brain? Are there any other
"tendencies" or worldly knowledge that I should be aware of in relation to
5kt's? I am aware that most 1980's Audi's develope lifter noise at some
time. ( I had an '84 4kQ) The motors (baring Fram Damage) are very durable
and see 200k milage with general upkeep. Occasional electrical hic-ups.
(temp guage/window regulators) After hearing Fram, I look to you for any
other "Need to know" information. I intend to drive the wheels of this car
for it is very good shape inside and out. It has been very dependable and
fun to drive.

Drew

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Steve:

After the laundry list of potenital failures on questionsthe orignal
purchase. I know the car is very well built, solid performance, cabin is
very quiet, and a pleaseure to drive. Plus I got my cream puff for only
$600. A Lexus service writer bought it off a trade in and rove it to work
for 3 yrs and it sat for 2 yrs after he was given a daily driver. As for the
list, I have already experienced the joys of door handle failure. The cable
splice issue hasn't surfaced yet (should I be proactive?). I will keep my
eyes out for a set of Euro headlights. I have already replace bulbs in the
dashboard/instrument panel. The headlight switch melting is a concern, I
like to use my flash to pass often. The car begs to cruise around 80-85 mph.
The brake accumulator is one to keep my eye on. Thanks for the heads up. I
just replaced the master and slave brake clynders last month. Power steering
pump has been good so far. Ido use the proper hydraulic fluid (the stuff is
expensive). So far the Michelin man appears to be fine however I have
noticed a whistle when the car is in the 3000 rpm range and up. May need to
due more investigating. You were right about the rear brake/parking brake
seizing. I need to replace the calipers. I don't have the Bentley manuals
however I do have a brother who turns wrenches a dealership that sells new
audi/porsche/MB/volkswagen etc. I have gotten to quiz the Audi tech on more
than one occaison. Plus my bro helps me with the hard fixes. I will check
out the Audifans quattro list. I am in the slat belt and surprisingly the
car is really in great shape so far. Why don't other car makers galvinize?
And no noise in the rear yet! so far so good. The headliner did come down
and is currently pasted in place (looks horrible) I intend to see a local
headliner shop about replacement. Seat heater doesn't apply since I don't
have one. The first thing I replaced on the car was the afterrun coolant
pump. Which by the way I now have two extra pumps laying around. (got a box
of parts deal from my bro's work place). The rad fan will get my attention
soon, the fuse is a great idea. Timing belt and all other belts/fluids have
been changed right when I bought the car. I was aware of most of the
websites that you listed and will check out the two I am not familiar with.
Steve thanks again for all your insight and experiences. So far the car has
been a pleasure to drive and hasn't cost much to own and operate.

I was currious, how long have you owned your 87 5ktq? I have heard of many
people getting 200k plus miles on the cars with very little problems. What
has been your experience?

Drew Bodeen

86 5000T

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Drew,
Wow. What a car for the price of 1 month of a lease of an A4.....no too
shabby - I wouldn't question the logic of owning it.
An easy check for the cable splice is to check the voltage at the underhood
post while the car is running, and then at the battery - the difference is
somewhat due to the splice. Relaying the headlights is a good idea -
Eurolights or not - it takes the high current away from the column switch
connections - which melt and cause problems.
The whistle may be a leak around / (or missing) idle screw on the throttle
body.
Other car makers do some sort of galvanising - GM uses a phosphate dip of
the welded body of the vehicle - the galvanising on the Type 44 involved a
galvanising of the sheet steel, and some understanding of how to treat the
edge of a stamped part post-stamping and how to properly spot weld
galvanized parts. The problem with corrosion is that it lurks in hard to
reach areas which are hard to coat with a coating applied after the assorted
parts of the body have been assembled, but are "simple" to do if the
protection is already there.
As for longevity - well, my '87 has passed 333,333 km recently, and I expect
it will go many more. I've only owned it for about 3 years, and it was
_VERY_ abused when I got it - I should have shopped around a bit more, but
nevertheless it's still a good car for the money I paid for it, both in
purchase and repairs.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"armstrong" <armstrng@netexpress.net> wrote in message
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> Steve:
>
> After the laundry list of potenital failures on questionsthe orignal
> purchase. I know the car is very well built, solid performance, cabin is
> very quiet, and a pleaseure to drive. Plus I got my cream puff for only
> $600. A Lexus service writer bought it off a trade in and rove it to work
> for 3 yrs and it sat for 2 yrs after he was given a daily driver. As for
the
> list, I have already experienced the joys of door handle failure. The
cable
> splice issue hasn't surfaced yet (should I be proactive?). I will keep my
> eyes out for a set of Euro headlights. I have already replace bulbs in the
> dashboard/instrument panel. The headlight switch melting is a concern, I
> like to use my flash to pass often. The car begs to cruise around 80-85
mph.
> The brake accumulator is one to keep my eye on. Thanks for the heads up. I
> just replaced the master and slave brake clynders last month. Power
steering
> pump has been good so far. Ido use the proper hydraulic fluid (the stuff
is
> expensive). So far the Michelin man appears to be fine however I have
> noticed a whistle when the car is in the 3000 rpm range and up. May need
to
> due more investigating. You were right about the rear brake/parking brake
> seizing. I need to replace the calipers. I don't have the Bentley manuals
> however I do have a brother who turns wrenches a dealership that sells new
> audi/porsche/MB/volkswagen etc. I have gotten to quiz the Audi tech on
more
> than one occaison. Plus my bro helps me with the hard fixes. I will check
> out the Audifans quattro list. I am in the slat belt and surprisingly the
> car is really in great shape so far. Why don't other car makers galvinize?
> And no noise in the rear yet! so far so good. The headliner did come down
> and is currently pasted in place (looks horrible) I intend to see a local
> headliner shop about replacement. Seat heater doesn't apply since I don't
> have one. The first thing I replaced on the car was the afterrun coolant
> pump. Which by the way I now have two extra pumps laying around. (got a
box
> of parts deal from my bro's work place). The rad fan will get my attention
> soon, the fuse is a great idea. Timing belt and all other belts/fluids
have
> been changed right when I bought the car. I was aware of most of the
> websites that you listed and will check out the two I am not familiar
with.
> Steve thanks again for all your insight and experiences. So far the car
has
> been a pleasure to drive and hasn't cost much to own and operate.
>
> I was currious, how long have you owned your 87 5ktq? I have heard of many
> people getting 200k plus miles on the cars with very little problems. What
> has been your experience?
>
> Drew Bodeen
>
> 86 5000T
>
>

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

Steve:

Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I am going to check on "the whistle"
tonight. It is very encouraging to hear that your car keeps rolling up the
miles. I am approaching 90k. Looks like a have some catching up to due!

thanks again,

Drew
Steve Sears wrote in message ...
>Drew,
>Wow. What a car for the price of 1 month of a lease of an A4.....no too
>shabby - I wouldn't question the logic of owning it.
>An easy check for the cable splice is to check the voltage at the underhood
>post while the car is running, and then at the battery - the difference is
>somewhat due to the splice. Relaying the headlights is a good idea -
>Eurolights or not - it takes the high current away from the column switch
>connections - which melt and cause problems.
SNIP

Re: 86 5KT Clackity Clack!
 

"armstrong" <armstrng@netexpress.net> wrote in message news:<bh0gr3$bg2@library2.airnews.net>...
> Steve:
>
> I will keep my eyes out for a set of Euro headlights.

Unfortunately, the odds of finding them in the US is slim to none.
You either get a set of *new* ones from somebody like Blaufergnügen or
you stumble on a cooperative *European* (*Not* UK! - those are the
'wrong-sided' lights!) junkyard crawler who can send you a set. There
are the occasional owners here who yanked them out before trashing the
car. Be sure you know *which* '5000' yours is. Your turbo (CS and CS
Quattro) is a Euro *200* (known by the same name here after 1988) and
has lights different than the *100* (S and S Quattro - also getting
the Euro name in '88). The good news is, the grilles/lights don't
seem to have changed from your '86 model until at least '92, so there
are lots of candidates.

> The headlight switch melting is a concern, I
> like to use my flash to pass often. The car begs to cruise around 80-85 mph.

I think your concern may be misplaced. IME, the headlight switch
melts when there are auxiliary lights (fogs) added to the same
circuit. Audi, in its wisdom, uses *no* relays in the headlight
system and runs *all* the current through the switch, so additional
lights produce additional heat there, melting the contacts into the
thermoplastic. The brief blast from a flash-to-pass won't generally
bother it much. Just don't hold it on continuously. Another way to
avoid the problem is to wire any additional lights with relays and
(fused) power directly from the battery or fusebox. You also don't
want to use higher-powered bulbs in the headlights without taking
similar precautions.

> So far the Michelin man appears to be fine however I have
> noticed a whistle when the car is in the 3000 rpm range and up. May need to
> due more investigating.

There's a 5-legged rubber vacuum junction 'monster' about the size of
your hand residing about midway along the valve cover. All 5 ports
are different sizes, making a cobbled together collection of fittings
difficult (Don't ask me how I know!) and making the purchase of a new
part quite attractive. This thing likes to crack on the bottom (where
you can't see it, naturally - actually, it's no doubt from years of
exposure to engine heat). It can be briefly and temporarily fixed
with a rubber 'gunk' and tape patch - until your new one comes in.
Don't bother with a junkyard part except as a temporary backup.

> You were right about the rear brake/parking brake
> seizing. I need to replace the calipers.

Not too bad - about $185 from Blau, IIRC.

> I don't have the Bentley manuals

Get them. They'll pay for themselves quickly. The good news is, your
set is the two-volume one that's cheaper (not much) than the 3-vol.
'88-'92 set.

> I am in the slat belt and surprisingly the
> car is really in great shape so far.

Audi had a lot of making up to do. Ever see a Fox or a pre-1980 100?

> And no noise in the rear yet! so far so good.

It will come. It's an easy fix with an overpriced part. It's not
really so dangerous, but more embarrassment ...

> I was currious, how long have you owned your 87 5ktq? I have heard of many
> people getting 200k plus miles on the cars with very little problems. What
> has been your experience?

Well, my '90 turbo only has about 139K, but my 10-valve I-5 engines in
3 different 4KQs have lasted a minimum of 232K, with one going 266K.
Never had to open any of them up. The clutches broke, but all had
great engines as they were hauled or traded away.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Weaning myself from Quattros with an X-Type)