2001 Audi Allroad Immobilizer trouble
Two weeks ago I replaced my 2002 Passat Wagon 4motion GLX with a 2001
Audi Allroad 2.7 Twin Turbo 6 speed. The only flaw the Audi has is the pixels in the center of the cluster. So I ventured out, found and bought a used Allroad cluster on ebay. Of course you know what comes next. I installed it (I own a Mercedes Shop) and the car wouldn't stay running. I googled the issue and found out that I have the immobilizer generation 3 and that only the Audi dealer can program these clusters. I called Checkered Flag in Virginia Beach, dead end, they refuse to install a "used cluster." Mad as hell I called the direct Audi of North America phone number in my paperwork. They told me installing a used cluster is at the discretion of each dealer and that they can't warranty parts I bring in myself. They finally gave me phone number to the nest dealer in my area which is Audi in Richmond VA (over an hour away) I called them and they are happy to assist me with the installation of the used one. Unreal, any thoughts on this ? --Martin Bartloff www.MartinBartloff.com |
Re: 2001 Audi Allroad Immobilizer trouble
<bnzmn600@aol.com> wrote in message news:85bb52c7-abc4-47d7-a61b-7961c0dd2780@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > Two weeks ago I replaced my 2002 Passat Wagon 4motion GLX with a 2001 > Audi Allroad 2.7 Twin Turbo 6 speed. The only flaw the Audi has is the > pixels in the center of the cluster. > > So I ventured out, found and bought a used Allroad cluster on ebay. Of > course you know what comes next. I installed it (I own a Mercedes > Shop) and the car wouldn't stay running. I googled the issue and found > out that I have the immobilizer generation 3 and that only the Audi > dealer can program these clusters. > > I called Checkered Flag in Virginia Beach, dead end, they refuse to > install a "used cluster." Mad as hell I called the direct Audi of > North America phone number in my paperwork. They told me installing a > used cluster is at the discretion of each dealer and that they can't > warranty parts I bring in myself. > > They finally gave me phone number to the nest dealer in my area which > is Audi in Richmond VA (over an hour away) I called them and they are > happy to assist me with the installation of the used one. > > Unreal, any thoughts on this ? > > --Martin Bartloff > > www.MartinBartloff.com Hi, hard is the word....... How do I obtain an SKC for Immobilizer and Key-Matching functions? We do not know of any way to retrieve an SKC for VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda vehicles other than getting it from an official dealership. Prior to 2002, some vehicles were delivered with a scratch-off panel on a plastic tag that contained the 4 digit PIN code. Starting in 2002, dealerships implemented the WIN2 system to provide SKC's to their technicians and customers. Starting April 1, 2005, VW/Audi dealerships switched to the new GEKO system, whereby their factory scan tools dial up the factory while connected to a car. Under this system, the technician no longer sees the SKC at all and you will need to bring your vehicle into the dealer to have Immobilizer work performed. VAG-COM does not interact with the GEKO system. Check out our Immobilizer Page for more information and procedures. http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/faq_4.html#skc Some more reading http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/car...-swapping.html http://audittmk1.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-cluster.html hth ronny |
Re: 2001 Audi Allroad Immobilizer trouble
On Mar 17, 12:44 pm, "Ronny" <1...@123.com> wrote:
> <bnzmn...@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:85bb52c7-abc4-47d7-a61b-7961c0dd2780@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Two weeks ago I replaced my 2002 Passat Wagon 4motion GLX with a 2001 > > Audi Allroad 2.7 Twin Turbo 6 speed. The only flaw the Audi has is the > > pixels in the center of the cluster. > > > So I ventured out, found and bought a used Allroad cluster on ebay. Of > > course you know what comes next. I installed it (I own a Mercedes > > Shop) and the car wouldn't stay running. I googled the issue and found > > out that I have the immobilizer generation 3 and that only the Audi > > dealer can program these clusters. > > > I called Checkered Flag in Virginia Beach, dead end, they refuse to > > install a "used cluster." Mad as hell I called the direct Audi of > > North America phone number in my paperwork. They told me installing a > > used cluster is at the discretion of each dealer and that they can't > > warranty parts I bring in myself. > > > They finally gave me phone number to the nest dealer in my area which > > is Audi in Richmond VA (over an hour away) I called them and they are > > happy to assist me with the installation of the used one. > > > Unreal, any thoughts on this ? > > > --Martin Bartloff > > >www.MartinBartloff.com > > Hi, hard is the word....... > > How do I obtain an SKC for Immobilizer and Key-Matching functions? > > We do not know of any way to retrieve an SKC for VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda vehicles > other than getting it from an official dealership. Prior to 2002, some > vehicles were delivered with a scratch-off panel on a plastic tag that > contained the 4 digit PIN code. Starting in 2002, dealerships implemented > the WIN2 system to provide SKC's to their technicians and customers. > Starting April 1, 2005, VW/Audi dealerships switched to the new GEKO system, > whereby their factory scan tools dial up the factory while connected to a > car. Under this system, the technician no longer sees the SKC at all and you > will need to bring your vehicle into the dealer to have Immobilizer work > performed. VAG-COM does not interact with the GEKO system. Check out our > Immobilizer Page for more information and procedures.http://www.ross-tech..com/vag-com/faq_4.html#skc > > Some more readinghttp://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/Immo3-ecu-swapping..html > > http://audittmk1.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-cluster.html > > hth > > ronny After spending 7 hours on the road, I came back with the same problem. The dealer (Westbroad Audi in Richmond VA) tried to program my used cluster and they ran into problems. I had a lengthy talk with the technician , he said the he started the adaptations, but then half way through it stopped, he hit continue and a message popped up. Cluster exceeded the 100 KM 62,000 miles and adaptions could not be carried out. He said he tried manually entering the numbers, still didn't work. I got a print out as well that shows two possible causes, the one mentioned above and that the cluster had already once been reprogrammed at 60K miles. I'm pretty upset as I spent $113.00 on the used cluster, $ 205.88 with Audi and who knows how much gas driving up there and back. In all fairness I have to say this though. The customer service at Westbroad Audi in my opinion is outstanding. They asked if I mind that they check the entire car over. They found a lose strut tower and fixed it at no extra charge. Then the tech came back and asked if I liked the car washed. "How much?" I asked. Nothing I was told. Instead of giving me a laundry list the tech came back and explained with a service manager that I had a few minor issues but that car was in overall great condition. Upon request the tech gave me a channel number that allows you to unlock the new cluster. When I got home I carefully took the new cluster apart to expose the circuit board. Appears to me that the center display could be removed from the cluster and replaced separately if you're handy. I will attempt this surgery in the next two days. --Martin www.MartinBartloff.com |
Re: 2001 Audi Allroad Immobilizer trouble
Send me the cluster and I'll get the PIN from it. This is the problem, you need both PIN codes. The original to login, the one from the used cluster to "unmarry" the original. Both clusters have encrypted data that requires de-encryption to acquire the PIN codes. The ECM also holds the came PIN from the original cluster.
The cluster that you got from eBay may have had the data corrupted and a defective LCD is at times a sign of that. Have a look at this: https://www.audiforum.ca/general-aud...r-service.html Since you're so adventurous, read and post the data from the 93C86 IC that's on the board. A simple programmer will read the SOIC chip and save the data in a file name of your choice. That's one way out of it. |
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