When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
01-17-2009, 02:18 PM
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When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
still has a 6 speed.
I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
they can forget the sports sedan segment.
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isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
still has a 6 speed.
I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
they can forget the sports sedan segment.
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01-17-2009, 07:56 PM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> still has a 6 speed.
>
> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
enough that your left leg gets really tired.
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Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> still has a 6 speed.
>
> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
enough that your left leg gets really tired.
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01-17-2009, 08:40 PM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>
wrote:
>In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>
>> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
>> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
>> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
>> still has a 6 speed.
>>
>> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
>> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
>Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
>enough that your left leg gets really tired.
Complete bullshit. Owning both, I'd rather drive a manual in stop 'n' go
traffic then an automagic - because if you have a clue, there's way less
standing on pedals with the former than the latter...
/daytripper
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wrote:
>In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>
>> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
>> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
>> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
>> still has a 6 speed.
>>
>> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
>> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
>Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
>enough that your left leg gets really tired.
Complete bullshit. Owning both, I'd rather drive a manual in stop 'n' go
traffic then an automagic - because if you have a clue, there's way less
standing on pedals with the former than the latter...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
01-17-2009, 08:53 PM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
Ed H. wrote:
> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> still has a 6 speed.
>
> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
It is possible to order it with a manual tranny, at least the 2.0T
sedan one, but you might have to place an order for with with the
dealer directly. I've seen people on AudiWorld talk about. Apparently
it's not an option on audiusa.com.
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> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> still has a 6 speed.
>
> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
It is possible to order it with a manual tranny, at least the 2.0T
sedan one, but you might have to place an order for with with the
dealer directly. I've seen people on AudiWorld talk about. Apparently
it's not an option on audiusa.com.
--
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01-18-2009, 12:03 AM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, against all advice, something
compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
> In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>
> > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> > neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> > still has a 6 speed.
> >
> > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> > they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
> Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
Ahem.
I do.
That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
> Traffic is also bad
> enough that your left leg gets really tired.
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compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
> In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>
> > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> > neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> > still has a 6 speed.
> >
> > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> > they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
> Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
Ahem.
I do.
That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
> Traffic is also bad
> enough that your left leg gets really tired.
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01-18-2009, 12:04 AM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, against all advice, something
compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
> In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>
> > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> > neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> > still has a 6 speed.
> >
> > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> > they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
> Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
Ahem.
I do.
That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
> Traffic is also bad
> enough that your left leg gets really tired.
Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to
the DSG.
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compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
> In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>
> > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> > neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> > still has a 6 speed.
> >
> > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> > they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
> Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
Ahem.
I do.
That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
> Traffic is also bad
> enough that your left leg gets really tired.
Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to
the DSG.
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Real men don't text.
01-18-2009, 01:23 AM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
In article <nih5n4prie2auo69o9lbn7ep3pmrfa9fa3@4ax.com>,
Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, against all advice, something
> compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
>
> > In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> > Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> > > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> > > neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> > > still has a 6 speed.
> > >
> > > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> > > they can forget the sports sedan segment.
> >
> > Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
>
> Ahem.
>
> I do.
>
> That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
> brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
> do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but
it is no manual. The shifting speed is terrible. It can transition
from one gear shaft to the other in a few milliseconds but actually
changing the gears takes more like 500ms each. Going from 5th to 3rd
takes one second. Moving the gear shift from "D" to "S" puts my A3 in
neutral for about 2 seconds. A hard stop at 30 MPH leaves me in neutral
while the transmission clicks down to 1st. That's pretty bad.
The "S" mode reduces lag by making the other shaft a lower gear when it
can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good
for normal driving.
> > Traffic is also bad
> > enough that your left leg gets really tired.
>
> Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to
> the DSG.
Lucky you. It's painful to have fast car that's only good for staring
at the back of an unbroken stream of slow cars.
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Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, against all advice, something
> compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
>
> > In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> > Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> > > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> > > neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> > > still has a 6 speed.
> > >
> > > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> > > they can forget the sports sedan segment.
> >
> > Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
>
> Ahem.
>
> I do.
>
> That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
> brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
> do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but
it is no manual. The shifting speed is terrible. It can transition
from one gear shaft to the other in a few milliseconds but actually
changing the gears takes more like 500ms each. Going from 5th to 3rd
takes one second. Moving the gear shift from "D" to "S" puts my A3 in
neutral for about 2 seconds. A hard stop at 30 MPH leaves me in neutral
while the transmission clicks down to 1st. That's pretty bad.
The "S" mode reduces lag by making the other shaft a lower gear when it
can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good
for normal driving.
> > Traffic is also bad
> > enough that your left leg gets really tired.
>
> Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to
> the DSG.
Lucky you. It's painful to have fast car that's only good for staring
at the back of an unbroken stream of slow cars.
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01-18-2009, 01:36 AM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
In article <of55n41bac9dmvskp4alqefd9ohd8gref1@4ax.com>,
daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> > Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> >> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> >> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> >> still has a 6 speed.
> >>
> >> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> >> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
> >
> >Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
> >enough that your left leg gets really tired.
>
> Complete bullshit. Owning both, I'd rather drive a manual in stop 'n' go
> traffic then an automagic - because if you have a clue, there's way less
> standing on pedals with the former than the latter...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
I drove manuals for 15 years and I still like them. If I ask around,
maybe 2 in 10 knows how to drive them and only 1 in 10 likes them. Then
they marry somebody who isn't the 1 in 10.
When I say bad traffic, I'm talking about big cities where you might
spend an hour inching along just below 1st gear's idle speed. There's
nothing you can do except hold in the clutch most of that hour.
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daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> > Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
> >> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
> >> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
> >> still has a 6 speed.
> >>
> >> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
> >> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
> >
> >Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
> >enough that your left leg gets really tired.
>
> Complete bullshit. Owning both, I'd rather drive a manual in stop 'n' go
> traffic then an automagic - because if you have a clue, there's way less
> standing on pedals with the former than the latter...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
I drove manuals for 15 years and I still like them. If I ask around,
maybe 2 in 10 knows how to drive them and only 1 in 10 likes them. Then
they marry somebody who isn't the 1 in 10.
When I say bad traffic, I'm talking about big cities where you might
spend an hour inching along just below 1st gear's idle speed. There's
nothing you can do except hold in the clutch most of that hour.
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01-19-2009, 11:15 AM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
On Jan 18, 2:23 am, Kevin McMurtrie <kevin...@sonic.net> wrote:
> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual.
It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated
clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have.
I read somewhere that the 2.0T (which I believe is just starting to be
available in the US) WILL be available with the 6-speed conventional
manual. I suspect that Audi would like to have the DSG as the only
manual available.
BMW has a much longer record of 'sporting driving', meaning that they
really have to offer a conventional manual, although I suspect that
they would like to eliminate that and go to their version of the
automated manual as well. Cut down on the number of combinations.
We only have 1 automatic in our household, out of 5 cars, our Honda
Odyssey van. But it very aggressively downshifts, so it's almost like
driving a manual!
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq 6-speed
Central NJ USA
> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual.
It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated
clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have.
I read somewhere that the 2.0T (which I believe is just starting to be
available in the US) WILL be available with the 6-speed conventional
manual. I suspect that Audi would like to have the DSG as the only
manual available.
BMW has a much longer record of 'sporting driving', meaning that they
really have to offer a conventional manual, although I suspect that
they would like to eliminate that and go to their version of the
automated manual as well. Cut down on the number of combinations.
We only have 1 automatic in our household, out of 5 cars, our Honda
Odyssey van. But it very aggressively downshifts, so it's almost like
driving a manual!
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq 6-speed
Central NJ USA
01-19-2009, 12:38 PM
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Re: When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:15:22 -0800 (PST), Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Jan 18, 2:23 am, Kevin McMurtrie <kevin...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual.
>
>It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated
>clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have.
[...]
I suspect you misunderstood the nature of that comment: I believe it was aimed
at the degree of control provided by a conventional manual transmission verses
that of the DSG, rather than being a declarative statement concerning the
pedigree of the DSG...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
wrote:
>On Jan 18, 2:23 am, Kevin McMurtrie <kevin...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual.
>
>It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated
>clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have.
[...]
I suspect you misunderstood the nature of that comment: I believe it was aimed
at the degree of control provided by a conventional manual transmission verses
that of the DSG, rather than being a declarative statement concerning the
pedigree of the DSG...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
