Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>
>>> Dana
>>>
>>
>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>> after the change.
>
> I doubt that very much.
>
> Ronald
>
Why do you doubt it?
The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
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>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>
>>> Dana
>>>
>>
>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>> after the change.
>
> I doubt that very much.
>
> Ronald
>
Why do you doubt it?
The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>
>>> Dana
>>>
>>
>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>> after the change.
>
> I doubt that very much.
>
> Ronald
>
Why do you doubt it?
The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>
>>>> Dana
>>>>
>>>
>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>>> after the change.
>>
>> I doubt that very much.
>>
>> Ronald
>>
>
> Why do you doubt it?
>
> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>
No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
position.
No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
slack.
That's why the tensioner is there.
Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
Ronald
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>
>>>> Dana
>>>>
>>>
>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>>> after the change.
>>
>> I doubt that very much.
>>
>> Ronald
>>
>
> Why do you doubt it?
>
> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>
No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
position.
No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
slack.
That's why the tensioner is there.
Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
Ronald
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>
>>>> Dana
>>>>
>>>
>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>>> after the change.
>>
>> I doubt that very much.
>>
>> Ronald
>>
>
> Why do you doubt it?
>
> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>
No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
position.
No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
slack.
That's why the tensioner is there.
Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
Ronald
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
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>> "Ronny" <Admin@1337hosts.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>
>>>> Dana
>>>>
>>>
>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend to
>>> go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water pump
>>> after the change.
>>
>> I doubt that very much.
>>
>> Ronald
>>
>
> Why do you doubt it?
>
> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>
No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
position.
No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
slack.
That's why the tensioner is there.
Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
Ronald
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
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Re: Water Pump/dealership Problems A4 2.8 Quatro
"Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.
news:1131997869.966983.172110@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> no, it was a dealership. My car has only been to dealerships, most of
> them giving great service, but different a different story of when
> timing belt is due to be changed.
>
> I called Audi HO in Canada and she said it was due at 112,000 km (but
> according to my schedule) I do not see that. One dealership told me
> 120,000km another 168,000km.
>
> I purchased the 1999 from a dealership that said the 96,000 ("expensive
> service") was completely done.
>
> ?? I am tired of the run around.
>
Part of the problem seems to be that Audi has changed the recommended
service interval for the TB since my A4 was made in 1998. The maintenance
booklet that came with the car specifically states to change the TB every
90,000 miles in the 2.8L engine. Audi apparently no longer recommends that
long between changes of the TB - presumably because of a significant number
of failures prior to the 90,000 mile mark. Now if you decided to wait until
90,000 miles and the TB failed at 89,000 miles, you'd be fighting Audi over
who'd foot the $7,000 or more bill for engine repairs. As to why the dealer
changed the belt, you may have a case if your receipt shows clearly that
they were not to change the belt without confirming with you in the first
place. I think there was a breakdown in communication but the fact remains
that most knowledgable people on this news group not to mention those on
audiworld.com believe replacing the TB along with a failing water pump at
78,000 miles is the proper thing to do. That's not to say that Audi cannot
be faulted for a design that makes routine maintenance items so expensive to
replace.