Sports Sedan
04-09-2004, 04:42 PM
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Re: Sports Sedan
"Levi Ramsey" <levi@cygnetnet.net> wrote in message
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an.2004.04.09.21.20.19.584266@cygnetnet.net. ..> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:27:44 +0000, Ron Loewy wrote:
>
> > FWIW - We know from Quatum Mechanics that even e=mc^2 breaks down in
certain
> > situations - so there is no true scientific "silver bullet" out there.
>
> Anyone who even tries to claim science can prove anything is idiot.
"in any axiomatic mathematical system there are propositions that cannot be
proved or disproved within the axioms of the system" - Kurt Godel.
Ron.
04-09-2004, 09:25 PM
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Re: Sports Sedan
In article <PMEdc.5446$F9.1261@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, Ron Loewy wrote:
> "in any axiomatic mathematical system there are propositions that cannot be
> proved or disproved within the axioms of the system" - Kurt Godel.
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> "in any axiomatic mathematical system there are propositions that cannot be
> proved or disproved within the axioms of the system" - Kurt Godel.
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04-10-2004, 06:05 AM
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Re: Sports Sedan
"Levi Ramsey" <levi@cygnetnet.net> wrote in message
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an.2004.04.09.21.20.19.584266@cygnetnet.net. ..> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:27:44 +0000, Ron Loewy wrote:
>
> > FWIW - We know from Quatum Mechanics that even e=mc^2 breaks down in
certain
> > situations - so there is no true scientific "silver bullet" out there.
>
> Anyone who even tries to claim science can prove anything is idiot.
What does the above sentence mean? I don't get it.
>
> [the kind of idiot that would buy an Audi... ;o) ]
Don't have one, personally, but if the standard for idiocy is so low, I'm
sure I can qualify in some other way. ...or was that an Audi "insider"
joke?
-Fred W
04-13-2004, 10:32 AM
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Re: Sports Sedan
"Ron Loewy" <rloewy@transport.com> wrote in message news:<k2Bdc.4110$F9.2290@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
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> Before we get into sematics of language - my original post was that slamming
> JDPower as a mere marketing organization that provides useless information
> is far from the truth as I see it.
I never said it was *totally* useless. Just *marginally* useless.
Marketing analysts simply want to predict what people *will* want and
dammit, *I* am just not that predictable! You can pretty much tell
where one of a flock of *sheep* will end up, but that doesn't apply to
real Car Guys (TM).
There is no way that J.D. Power or any marketing organization can
provide any meaningful input to an enthusiast that will tell me, for
example, whether I'll be happier or feel more at home in a 2002 Jaguar
X-Type or in a 1988 BMW 535is or in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier. Anybody
want to hazard some guesses as to the "C.R. Krieger Satisfaction
Rating" of those three? Those who know me well from my years here
will have no problems ...
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
>
> Before we get into sematics of language - my original post was that slamming
> JDPower as a mere marketing organization that provides useless information
> is far from the truth as I see it.
I never said it was *totally* useless. Just *marginally* useless.
Marketing analysts simply want to predict what people *will* want and
dammit, *I* am just not that predictable! You can pretty much tell
where one of a flock of *sheep* will end up, but that doesn't apply to
real Car Guys (TM).
There is no way that J.D. Power or any marketing organization can
provide any meaningful input to an enthusiast that will tell me, for
example, whether I'll be happier or feel more at home in a 2002 Jaguar
X-Type or in a 1988 BMW 535is or in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier. Anybody
want to hazard some guesses as to the "C.R. Krieger Satisfaction
Rating" of those three? Those who know me well from my years here
will have no problems ...
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
04-13-2004, 11:30 AM
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Re: Sports Sedan
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> There is no way that J.D. Power or any marketing organization can
> provide any meaningful input to an enthusiast that will tell me, for
> example, whether I'll be happier or feel more at home in a 2002 Jaguar
> X-Type or in a 1988 BMW 535is or in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier. Anybody
> want to hazard some guesses as to the "C.R. Krieger Satisfaction
> Rating" of those three? Those who know me well from my years here
> will have no problems ...
Lessee...
1) 535is
2) Jag
....
....
....
145) Cavalier
Close?
-Fred W
04-13-2004, 12:09 PM
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Re: Sports Sedan
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Marketing analysts simply want to predict what people *will* want and
> dammit, *I* am just not that predictable! You can pretty much tell
> where one of a flock of *sheep* will end up, but that doesn't apply to
> real Car Guys (TM).
Statistical data about non-critical applications (like this) is useful to
help you make a decision. If you have a couple of cars that appeal the same
to you from a driving dynamic pov, for example - it is nice to know which
one is more likely to be reliable and provide more usage enjoyment. But here
we are getting into the "interpration" issue I mentioned before.
>
> There is no way that J.D. Power or any marketing organization can
> provide any meaningful input to an enthusiast that will tell me, for
> example, whether I'll be happier or feel more at home in a 2002 Jaguar
> X-Type or in a 1988 BMW 535is or in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier.
That's not their goal and anyone that approaches this data this way has no
idea what it means.
Having said that - there is no way that anyone can predict what you will
like more other than you - including enthusiast media, your buddies at the
local car club, people on this board or even your significant other - but we
all have practical limits to the amount of time and money we can devote to
our decisions and have to use other sources of information in order to help
us make a decision. If you take it in this grain - it is a very useful
source of information.
Ron.
news:a8a578a8.0404130732.262ef013@posting.google.c om...
> Marketing analysts simply want to predict what people *will* want and
> dammit, *I* am just not that predictable! You can pretty much tell
> where one of a flock of *sheep* will end up, but that doesn't apply to
> real Car Guys (TM).
Statistical data about non-critical applications (like this) is useful to
help you make a decision. If you have a couple of cars that appeal the same
to you from a driving dynamic pov, for example - it is nice to know which
one is more likely to be reliable and provide more usage enjoyment. But here
we are getting into the "interpration" issue I mentioned before.
>
> There is no way that J.D. Power or any marketing organization can
> provide any meaningful input to an enthusiast that will tell me, for
> example, whether I'll be happier or feel more at home in a 2002 Jaguar
> X-Type or in a 1988 BMW 535is or in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier.
That's not their goal and anyone that approaches this data this way has no
idea what it means.
Having said that - there is no way that anyone can predict what you will
like more other than you - including enthusiast media, your buddies at the
local car club, people on this board or even your significant other - but we
all have practical limits to the amount of time and money we can devote to
our decisions and have to use other sources of information in order to help
us make a decision. If you take it in this grain - it is a very useful
source of information.
Ron.
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