So much for EDL!!
03-30-2005, 02:04 PM
#41
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP Roberts wrote:
>> Another possibility would be to slightly engage the handbrake. That
>> would slow down the rearwheels and should transfer more torque to the
>> front.
>>
>
>Both the front and rear right wheels were spinning all of the time, so it
>was not a front-to-rear, or rear-to-front issue. It was a side-to-side
>transfer issue, rather.
I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
torque to the wheels on the dry side.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>> Another possibility would be to slightly engage the handbrake. That
>> would slow down the rearwheels and should transfer more torque to the
>> front.
>>
>
>Both the front and rear right wheels were spinning all of the time, so it
>was not a front-to-rear, or rear-to-front issue. It was a side-to-side
>transfer issue, rather.
I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
torque to the wheels on the dry side.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
03-30-2005, 02:04 PM
#42
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP Roberts wrote:
>> Another possibility would be to slightly engage the handbrake. That
>> would slow down the rearwheels and should transfer more torque to the
>> front.
>>
>
>Both the front and rear right wheels were spinning all of the time, so it
>was not a front-to-rear, or rear-to-front issue. It was a side-to-side
>transfer issue, rather.
I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
torque to the wheels on the dry side.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>> Another possibility would be to slightly engage the handbrake. That
>> would slow down the rearwheels and should transfer more torque to the
>> front.
>>
>
>Both the front and rear right wheels were spinning all of the time, so it
>was not a front-to-rear, or rear-to-front issue. It was a side-to-side
>transfer issue, rather.
I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
torque to the wheels on the dry side.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
03-30-2005, 02:04 PM
#43
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP Roberts wrote:
>> Another possibility would be to slightly engage the handbrake. That
>> would slow down the rearwheels and should transfer more torque to the
>> front.
>>
>
>Both the front and rear right wheels were spinning all of the time, so it
>was not a front-to-rear, or rear-to-front issue. It was a side-to-side
>transfer issue, rather.
I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
torque to the wheels on the dry side.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>> Another possibility would be to slightly engage the handbrake. That
>> would slow down the rearwheels and should transfer more torque to the
>> front.
>>
>
>Both the front and rear right wheels were spinning all of the time, so it
>was not a front-to-rear, or rear-to-front issue. It was a side-to-side
>transfer issue, rather.
I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
torque to the wheels on the dry side.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
03-31-2005, 08:05 AM
#44
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Re: So much for EDL!!
> I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
> you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
>
> So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
> torque to the wheels on the dry side.
>
Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
your reasoning?
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
03-31-2005, 08:05 AM
#45
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Re: So much for EDL!!
> I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
> you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
>
> So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
> torque to the wheels on the dry side.
>
Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
your reasoning?
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
03-31-2005, 08:05 AM
#46
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Re: So much for EDL!!
> I read that. But by braking _both_ rear wheels with the handbrake
> you'd be also braking one happily spinning wheel on the slipepry side.
>
> So you'd have "grip" on 3 of four wheels. That might transfer enough
> torque to the wheels on the dry side.
>
Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
your reasoning?
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
04-05-2005, 03:24 PM
#47
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP Roberts wrote:
>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
>your reasoning?
I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
side of the car.
I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
it does in reality.
I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
AWD with difflocks et all.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
>your reasoning?
I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
side of the car.
I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
it does in reality.
I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
AWD with difflocks et all.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
04-05-2005, 03:24 PM
#48
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP Roberts wrote:
>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
>your reasoning?
I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
side of the car.
I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
it does in reality.
I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
AWD with difflocks et all.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
>your reasoning?
I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
side of the car.
I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
it does in reality.
I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
AWD with difflocks et all.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
04-05-2005, 03:24 PM
#49
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP Roberts wrote:
>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
>your reasoning?
I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
side of the car.
I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
it does in reality.
I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
AWD with difflocks et all.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front "sadly"
>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And in
>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you clarify
>your reasoning?
I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
side of the car.
I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
it does in reality.
I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
AWD with difflocks et all.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
04-06-2005, 06:16 AM
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Re: So much for EDL!!
Thank you for your answer Wolfgang. I am always pleased to read your highly
instructive postings.
I'll try that as soon as I get the occasion to.
Cheers,
JP Roberts
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
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> JP Roberts wrote:
>
>>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front
>>"sadly"
>>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And
>>in
>>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you
>>clarify
>>your reasoning?
>
> I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
> AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
> side of the car.
>
> I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
> for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
> that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
> going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
> spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
> it does in reality.
>
> I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
> AWD with difflocks et all.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
instructive postings.
I'll try that as soon as I get the occasion to.
Cheers,
JP Roberts
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
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> JP Roberts wrote:
>
>>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front
>>"sadly"
>>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And
>>in
>>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you
>>clarify
>>your reasoning?
>
> I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
> AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
> side of the car.
>
> I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
> for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
> that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
> going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
> spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
> it does in reality.
>
> I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
> AWD with difflocks et all.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
