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From: speedc@cs.man.ac.uk (C Speed)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: BBC's Hidden Shame
Date: Fri May 12 04:34:26 1995

>Yes, I realize that. But after five years I think I can tell the difference
>between reality and unreality. Look, in the part of London where I used
>to live, I went back there over Easter, and I got recognized walking
>down the street by people I had never seen before. That's happened
>quite a few times and I am at a complete loss to explain it.

That is what happens in big cities. Hell, it scared me to death when I first
started working in Manchester. People keep talking to me on the streets,
even if its just to say hello, and I've no idea who they are. This happens
to most people, don't worry about it.

>>paranoid, whoops I mean suspicious, I would call in one of those bug
>>detection teams which have those machines that pick up the transmitted

>That's exactly what we did. We went to a competent, professional detective
>agency in London, paid them over 400 quid to debug our house. They found
>nothing.

Doesn't this suggest to you that there are, in fact, no bugs to be found?

>Over Easter I went to the police in London, telling them basically
>what I've posted here. I don't think you'll be surprised to learn
>that I didn't get very far; they asked "why would they be doing this to
>you in particular?" and the answer "they are because they are" doesn't
>go very far.

Exactly. All you have offered so far as proof of your harrassment by these
people is:

1) Someone on radio said something that you had recently said
and
2) People on the streets seem to recognise you.

These are both perfectly normal occurences and happen to lots of people every
day so it is unsurprising that people here, and the police, are not taking
you seriously.

Trying to always keep an open mind about things I would say that one of three
things is likely.

Either there is a lot more to this that you are not telling us, or you are
messing about or you have some genuine delusions. I'd like to think that in
two of the three cases you would find some real support here, but it seems
unlikely I'm afraid.

Claire

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Date: Fri May 12 17:41:49 1995
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: BBC's Hidden Shame

>That is what happens in big cities. Hell, it scared me to death when I first
>started working in Manchester. People keep talking to me on the streets,
>even if its just to say hello, and I've no idea who they are. This happens
>to most people, don't worry about it.

The key is the pattern, or a change in the pattern. I've lived in London
almost all my life, and just walking around the streets, I never got
hassled by anybody. All of a sudden, people start harassing you,
throwing abuse at you, behaving as if they know you personally, as
if they've seen you before somewhere. I read in the papers that this
happens to Colin Stagg and people like that Eastenders actress, but
they've had their picture in the paperes, so that is understandable.
In a couple of cases people have even known my name - when I was in
London over Easter I was walking down Shaftesbury avenue in the
West End when somebody (no idea who they were, just some bloke with
his girlfriend) called me by name - quite clearly, and my name is
distinctive. This also happened once about four 1/2 years ago, onn
the tube - some blokes I had never seen started chanting my name
and a term of abuse.


It's the pattern which convinces me there's something to it - and
would convince any impartial abserver who could see things tyhrough
my eyes.

>Doesn't this suggest to you that there are, in fact, no bugs to be found?

There's a little story behjjind this. First iof all, in 1992 I worked
for a company where the people made clear they knew what was going on,
first of all directly (the very first evening I was there I went out to
the pub with them and the Technical Directpor said to another guy,
"is this the bloke who's been on TV?" "yeah, I think so") and also
indirectly, by rep[peating stuff I was saying at home in London and
in my rented accomodation there (I moved several times in the course of
1992 and they followed me each time). Now, if "they" (the buggers)
knew their bugs could be found easily, they wouldn;'t be keen to make
their existence known, would they?

Also, in summer 1992 I went on a trip abroad to Europe by coach, and
on the way out there were a couple a little younger than myself on the coach
a bloke and hius girlfriend. He said things about some bloke who was
never named, who sounded exactly like me - and he made explicitly
clear that our house was bugged, and that a neighrbours house was
bugged (and at work they'd been rep[earting what was said at the
neighbours, so this looks like independent corroboration).
They also said stuff like "at school he was always really streesed,
they found someone from his school and he was a real psycho"
and that "he was in a B&B for one night and they got him", dead right
again, I had been in B&B for once night a few days before this trip
and weatching the news again got a reaction from the newsreader.

2489


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