Is it really a Mercedes or more a Chyrsler ??
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>Leaving my old dinosaur of a Ford F350 as the only *true* 4WD, eh? But yes,
>you're right. At least in my opinion. It always grates on me to see "4X4"
>slapped on an AWD sedan or coupe ...
I've always divded the line by saying that a 4x4 is anything with a "low"
setting, such as the 4Runner my father now drives. In order to qualify as AWD,
at least the way I've been thinking of things, the system must be engaged full
time, lack a low range, and usually biases one set of wheels under normal
conditions. Such as in my father's A4, or my mother's RX300 which biases the
front wheels in a 60/40 split untill slippage occurs.
>you're right. At least in my opinion. It always grates on me to see "4X4"
>slapped on an AWD sedan or coupe ...
I've always divded the line by saying that a 4x4 is anything with a "low"
setting, such as the 4Runner my father now drives. In order to qualify as AWD,
at least the way I've been thinking of things, the system must be engaged full
time, lack a low range, and usually biases one set of wheels under normal
conditions. Such as in my father's A4, or my mother's RX300 which biases the
front wheels in a 60/40 split untill slippage occurs.
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Ignasi Palou-Rivera <ipalourivera@yahoo.com> haute in die Tasten:
> That's really funny. It's like a taller Vito, isn't it? But I guess
> C.R. still technically(*) right, since the Sprinter is a van. And
> also, he was looking at Chryslers badged as MB's and not the opposite
> as the Sprinter is.
>
If you look at the commercial car division of MB, MB seems to be far less
touchy to make badge engineering and to cooperate with other
manufacturers. In Germany the MB Sprinter and the VW LT share about 80%
of their parts (although VW sells LTs with their own engines). Did you
know that MB bought ten thousands of VW VR6 engines to fit into their V-
class (Vito based minivan), because they were not able to make a suitable
6 cylinder FWD powertrain on their own?
Frank
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> That's really funny. It's like a taller Vito, isn't it? But I guess
> C.R. still technically(*) right, since the Sprinter is a van. And
> also, he was looking at Chryslers badged as MB's and not the opposite
> as the Sprinter is.
>
If you look at the commercial car division of MB, MB seems to be far less
touchy to make badge engineering and to cooperate with other
manufacturers. In Germany the MB Sprinter and the VW LT share about 80%
of their parts (although VW sells LTs with their own engines). Did you
know that MB bought ten thousands of VW VR6 engines to fit into their V-
class (Vito based minivan), because they were not able to make a suitable
6 cylinder FWD powertrain on their own?
Frank
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A_Newsreader <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at my next car, ideally if it exists I'd like a luxury
> saloon, 4x4 IN DIESEL !!
>
> But, it's hard choosing because basically there is no new car out
> there that takes my fancy - basically I think they are all a rip off.
>
Ok, so go for an "estate" or "station wagon" style instead. What about a
rangerover??
Badger.
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:16:44 -0000, "Badger"
<badger@badger-co.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>A_Newsreader <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:af273187.0401230126.2cffc26b@posting.google. com...
>> I'm looking at my next car, ideally if it exists I'd like a luxury
>> saloon, 4x4 IN DIESEL !!
>>
>> But, it's hard choosing because basically there is no new car out
>> there that takes my fancy - basically I think they are all a rip off.
>>
>Ok, so go for an "estate" or "station wagon" style instead. What about a
>rangerover??
>Badger.
>
>
Wrong NG to ask about a very expensive non-functioning piece of junk
collecting dust on Mars.
Why not al Allroad? No other manufacturer comes close to Audi AWD so
why bother trying to replace a high probability roll over candidate
with a nice AWD wagon?
<badger@badger-co.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>A_Newsreader <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:af273187.0401230126.2cffc26b@posting.google. com...
>> I'm looking at my next car, ideally if it exists I'd like a luxury
>> saloon, 4x4 IN DIESEL !!
>>
>> But, it's hard choosing because basically there is no new car out
>> there that takes my fancy - basically I think they are all a rip off.
>>
>Ok, so go for an "estate" or "station wagon" style instead. What about a
>rangerover??
>Badger.
>
>
Wrong NG to ask about a very expensive non-functioning piece of junk
collecting dust on Mars.
Why not al Allroad? No other manufacturer comes close to Audi AWD so
why bother trying to replace a high probability roll over candidate
with a nice AWD wagon?
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"C R Krieger" <crkrieger@lakefield.net> wrote in message
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> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
> > Reports.
>
> Once again displaying his ignorance by recommending an American
organization
> and an American publication to someone who is obviously in a market that
is
> *not* North America. Hey, Butterbrain, when's the last time you saw
either
> a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
>
so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
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> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4011a1ca$0$15636$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> >
> > if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
> > Reports.
>
> Once again displaying his ignorance by recommending an American
organization
> and an American publication to someone who is obviously in a market that
is
> *not* North America. Hey, Butterbrain, when's the last time you saw
either
> a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
>
so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
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"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<40298c7b$0$52156$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>...
> "C R Krieger" <crkrieger@lakefield.net> wrote in message
> news:4011d60e$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net. ..
> > "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:4011a1ca$0$15636$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> > >
> > > if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
> > > Reports.
> >
> > Once again displaying his ignorance by recommending an American
> organization
> > and an American publication to someone who is obviously in a market that
> is
> > *not* North America. Hey, Butterbrain, when's the last time you saw
> either
> > a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
> > --
> > C.R. Krieger
> > "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
> >
> so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
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> "C R Krieger" <crkrieger@lakefield.net> wrote in message
> news:4011d60e$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net. ..
> > "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:4011a1ca$0$15636$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> > >
> > > if you have questions about reliability go to J.D. Powers or Consumer
> > > Reports.
> >
> > Once again displaying his ignorance by recommending an American
> organization
> > and an American publication to someone who is obviously in a market that
> is
> > *not* North America. Hey, Butterbrain, when's the last time you saw
> either
> > a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
> > --
> > C.R. Krieger
> > "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
> >
> so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
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C.R. Krieger
(Seen ingrate fools before)
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warp2_shadow@yahoo.com (C.R. Krieger) writes:
> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<40298c7b$0$52156$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>...
>> so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
>
> Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
> Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
J.D. Power do studies for the U.K. and Asian markets at leats. See for
example the 2003 "UK Car Customer Satisfaction (CSI) Study" at
<http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2003023> I
guess you are technically true as Opel (or its equivalent Vauxhall in
the UK) or Citroen are not mentioned there...
--
Ignasi.
'90 325is
> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<40298c7b$0$52156$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>...
>> so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
>
> Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
> Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
J.D. Power do studies for the U.K. and Asian markets at leats. See for
example the 2003 "UK Car Customer Satisfaction (CSI) Study" at
<http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2003023> I
guess you are technically true as Opel (or its equivalent Vauxhall in
the UK) or Citroen are not mentioned there...
--
Ignasi.
'90 325is
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"Ignasi Palou-Rivera" <ipalourivera@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> warp2_shadow@yahoo.com (C.R. Krieger) writes:
>
> > "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
> >
> > Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
> > Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
>
> J.D. Power do studies for the U.K. and Asian markets at leats. See for
> example the 2003 "UK Car Customer Satisfaction (CSI) Study" at
> <http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2003023> I
> guess you are technically true as Opel (or its equivalent Vauxhall in
> the UK) or Citroen are not mentioned there...
>
> --
> Ignasi.
> '90 325is
thank you sir, I'm always wrong because "I'm some dumb punk kid."
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> warp2_shadow@yahoo.com (C.R. Krieger) writes:
>
> > "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<40298c7b$0$52156$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>...
> >> so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
> >
> > Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
> > Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
>
> J.D. Power do studies for the U.K. and Asian markets at leats. See for
> example the 2003 "UK Car Customer Satisfaction (CSI) Study" at
> <http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2003023> I
> guess you are technically true as Opel (or its equivalent Vauxhall in
> the UK) or Citroen are not mentioned there...
>
> --
> Ignasi.
> '90 325is
thank you sir, I'm always wrong because "I'm some dumb punk kid."
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"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > either
> > > a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
> > > --
> > > C.R. Krieger
> > > "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
> > >
> > so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
>
> Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
> Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> (Seen ingrate fools before)
please read below, and now who's the fool?? I hate being correct.
news:a8a578a8.0402110903.3ff99aca@posting.google.c om...
> > either
> > > a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
> > > --
> > > C.R. Krieger
> > > "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
> > >
> > so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
>
> Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
> Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> (Seen ingrate fools before)
please read below, and now who's the fool?? I hate being correct.
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:07:56 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> > either
>> > > a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
>> > > --
>> > > C.R. Krieger
>> > > "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
>> > >
>> > so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
>>
>> Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
>> Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
>> --
>> C.R. Krieger
>> (Seen ingrate fools before)
>
>please read below, and now who's the fool?? I hate being correct.
You should be happy that is an incredibly rare event.
>"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:a8a578a8.0402110903.3ff99aca@posting.google. com...
>> > either
>> > > a BMW *or* Audi diesel sold new in the US?
>> > > --
>> > > C.R. Krieger
>> > > "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
>> > >
>> > so JD doesn't do international cars, I think they do.
>>
>> Think again. Show me Consumer Reports ratings on current Citroens.
>> Show me J.D. Power ratings on current Opels.
>> --
>> C.R. Krieger
>> (Seen ingrate fools before)
>
>please read below, and now who's the fool?? I hate being correct.
You should be happy that is an incredibly rare event.