Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > If you new anything about
> >going fast cornering fast and driving dynamics you would know that the
only
> >motivating force must come from the rear.
>
> Knowing this would mean knowing nothing. Lamborghini has gone to AWD on
their top-spec car. Nissan uses on the top-spec Skyline, Porsche uses it on
the 911 Turbo and C4/C4S. The Lancer EVO and Subaru WRX STi which are both
competant o out-run a great number of much more expensive cars are both AWD.
How about the S4 and RS6 bettering RWD Corvette's and BMWs? You saw the
list, and I could have kept going. RWD is cost effective and less likely to
have mechanical problems down the line, and that's *it*. Ignore the facts
all you want, but our antectdotal evidence is meaningless here.
the only reason is because they're owned by Audi AG and I've told you my
thoughts on that.
you do realize that the GTR up until the R34 was not the fastest.
the fastest Porsche is no the 996 911 TT I think it's the new Carrera GT
that's what, RWD??
I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan, the M3 is a 10 best where is
an Audi?? I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
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> > If you new anything about
> >going fast cornering fast and driving dynamics you would know that the
only
> >motivating force must come from the rear.
>
> Knowing this would mean knowing nothing. Lamborghini has gone to AWD on
their top-spec car. Nissan uses on the top-spec Skyline, Porsche uses it on
the 911 Turbo and C4/C4S. The Lancer EVO and Subaru WRX STi which are both
competant o out-run a great number of much more expensive cars are both AWD.
How about the S4 and RS6 bettering RWD Corvette's and BMWs? You saw the
list, and I could have kept going. RWD is cost effective and less likely to
have mechanical problems down the line, and that's *it*. Ignore the facts
all you want, but our antectdotal evidence is meaningless here.
the only reason is because they're owned by Audi AG and I've told you my
thoughts on that.
you do realize that the GTR up until the R34 was not the fastest.
the fastest Porsche is no the 996 911 TT I think it's the new Carrera GT
that's what, RWD??
I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan, the M3 is a 10 best where is
an Audi?? I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
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>you do realize that the GTR up until the R34 was not the fastest.
The GT-R VSpec was/is the fastest, and it's AWD.
>I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan
They get their asses kicked pretty consistantly in the Speed Touring series.
But you don't actually follow racing, do you?
>the M3 is a 10 best where is
>an Audi??
This is your proof of superiority? That a notriously BMW-biased rag put a BMW
on thier 10 best list? Isn't it odd that the M3 found a spot on the list even
though the S4 had beaten it TWICE in earlier comparos by the same publication?
>I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
>
You ignore nearly everything.
The GT-R VSpec was/is the fastest, and it's AWD.
>I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan
They get their asses kicked pretty consistantly in the Speed Touring series.
But you don't actually follow racing, do you?
>the M3 is a 10 best where is
>an Audi??
This is your proof of superiority? That a notriously BMW-biased rag put a BMW
on thier 10 best list? Isn't it odd that the M3 found a spot on the list even
though the S4 had beaten it TWICE in earlier comparos by the same publication?
>I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
>
You ignore nearly everything.
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >you do realize that the GTR up until the R34 was not the fastest.
>
> The GT-R VSpec was/is the fastest, and it's AWD.
>
> >I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan
>
> They get their asses kicked pretty consistantly in the Speed Touring
series.
> But you don't actually follow racing, do you?
>
> >the M3 is a 10 best where is
> >an Audi??
>
> This is your proof of superiority? That a notriously BMW-biased rag put a
BMW on thier 10 best list? Isn't it odd that the M3 found a spot on the list
even
> though the S4 had beaten it TWICE in earlier comparos by the same
publication?
>
> >I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
> >
>
> You ignore nearly everything.
no for the millionth time read, up until the R34 came out the 300ZX TT was
the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD. so the
STou series has sedans on the circuit?? no I'm just showing that the S4 is
outclassed, it has more power, and more torque I hope it does win.
after all you countless rants, I've noticed that when you learn a new work
you use it many times i.e., conjecture. but alas you have yet to prove me
wrong and every example you give I show a model in that company that
performs better but you fail to see this, so I guess we'll just go around &
around. on day you will see the errors in your ways.
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> >you do realize that the GTR up until the R34 was not the fastest.
>
> The GT-R VSpec was/is the fastest, and it's AWD.
>
> >I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan
>
> They get their asses kicked pretty consistantly in the Speed Touring
series.
> But you don't actually follow racing, do you?
>
> >the M3 is a 10 best where is
> >an Audi??
>
> This is your proof of superiority? That a notriously BMW-biased rag put a
BMW on thier 10 best list? Isn't it odd that the M3 found a spot on the list
even
> though the S4 had beaten it TWICE in earlier comparos by the same
publication?
>
> >I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
> >
>
> You ignore nearly everything.
no for the millionth time read, up until the R34 came out the 300ZX TT was
the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD. so the
STou series has sedans on the circuit?? no I'm just showing that the S4 is
outclassed, it has more power, and more torque I hope it does win.
after all you countless rants, I've noticed that when you learn a new work
you use it many times i.e., conjecture. but alas you have yet to prove me
wrong and every example you give I show a model in that company that
performs better but you fail to see this, so I guess we'll just go around &
around. on day you will see the errors in your ways.
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>no for the millionth time read, up until the R34 came out the 300ZX TT was
>the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD
This is garbage. Try and prove it, and the whole board will see so. Besides,
Nissan was toying with AWD variants of their Primera sedan and hatchback in the
early 1990s, it's not new to them, and they obviously found the performance
benefits.
>so the
>STou series has sedans on the circuit??
The what? If you're talking about the Speed Touring series, than yes they do.
Randy Probst ran an S4 sedan for 2 seasons and won overall at least once in it.
He's now on his second season in an RS6 sedan which won overall last year.
There were a few M3 sedans running at one point as well. Probst's 4-door AWD
Audi's have bested Corvettes (C4s and C5s), BMWs, Vipers, and several other RWD
cars on a consistant basis. Try watching a race sometime.
> no I'm just showing that the S4 is
>outclassed
How? If it's winning comparison testing in some of the world's major
publications and winning on the track, then were could it be outclassed? How
about adressing some of the issues I brought up last time? You have a
wonderfully funny habit of ignoring my major points and then proclaiming that
you're winning this debate.
>the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD
This is garbage. Try and prove it, and the whole board will see so. Besides,
Nissan was toying with AWD variants of their Primera sedan and hatchback in the
early 1990s, it's not new to them, and they obviously found the performance
benefits.
>so the
>STou series has sedans on the circuit??
The what? If you're talking about the Speed Touring series, than yes they do.
Randy Probst ran an S4 sedan for 2 seasons and won overall at least once in it.
He's now on his second season in an RS6 sedan which won overall last year.
There were a few M3 sedans running at one point as well. Probst's 4-door AWD
Audi's have bested Corvettes (C4s and C5s), BMWs, Vipers, and several other RWD
cars on a consistant basis. Try watching a race sometime.
> no I'm just showing that the S4 is
>outclassed
How? If it's winning comparison testing in some of the world's major
publications and winning on the track, then were could it be outclassed? How
about adressing some of the issues I brought up last time? You have a
wonderfully funny habit of ignoring my major points and then proclaiming that
you're winning this debate.
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >no for the millionth time read, up until the R34 came out the 300ZX TT
was
> >the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD
>
> This is garbage. Try and prove it, and the whole board will see so.
Besides,
> Nissan was toying with AWD variants of their Primera sedan and hatchback
in the early 1990s, it's not new to them, and they obviously found the
performance
> benefits.
>
> >so the
> >STou series has sedans on the circuit??
>
> The what? If you're talking about the Speed Touring series, than yes they
do.
> Randy Probst ran an S4 sedan for 2 seasons and won overall at least once
in it.
> He's now on his second season in an RS6 sedan which won overall last year.
> There were a few M3 sedans running at one point as well. Probst's 4-door
AWD Audi's have bested Corvettes (C4s and C5s), BMWs, Vipers, and several
other RWD
> cars on a consistant basis. Try watching a race sometime.
>
> > no I'm just showing that the S4 is
> >outclassed
>
> How? If it's winning comparison testing in some of the world's major
> publications and winning on the track, then were could it be outclassed?
How
> about adressing some of the issues I brought up last time? You have a
> wonderfully funny habit of ignoring my major points and then proclaiming
that
> you're winning this debate.
it's far from garbage look at old issues of C & D and you'll see that the
300ZX TT was the FASTEST Nissan produced, goggle is before the R34 it's just
that you don't know where to look.
you do realize Sp Tour. is rallying on pavement, so it's in the same bag,
come with a better circuit.
what have you brought up all you say is rallying this...Porc/Audi this...if
you post your questions in a clean message I'll give you all the proof you
need and shut you up for a while.
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> >no for the millionth time read, up until the R34 came out the 300ZX TT
was
> >the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD
>
> This is garbage. Try and prove it, and the whole board will see so.
Besides,
> Nissan was toying with AWD variants of their Primera sedan and hatchback
in the early 1990s, it's not new to them, and they obviously found the
performance
> benefits.
>
> >so the
> >STou series has sedans on the circuit??
>
> The what? If you're talking about the Speed Touring series, than yes they
do.
> Randy Probst ran an S4 sedan for 2 seasons and won overall at least once
in it.
> He's now on his second season in an RS6 sedan which won overall last year.
> There were a few M3 sedans running at one point as well. Probst's 4-door
AWD Audi's have bested Corvettes (C4s and C5s), BMWs, Vipers, and several
other RWD
> cars on a consistant basis. Try watching a race sometime.
>
> > no I'm just showing that the S4 is
> >outclassed
>
> How? If it's winning comparison testing in some of the world's major
> publications and winning on the track, then were could it be outclassed?
How
> about adressing some of the issues I brought up last time? You have a
> wonderfully funny habit of ignoring my major points and then proclaiming
that
> you're winning this debate.
it's far from garbage look at old issues of C & D and you'll see that the
300ZX TT was the FASTEST Nissan produced, goggle is before the R34 it's just
that you don't know where to look.
you do realize Sp Tour. is rallying on pavement, so it's in the same bag,
come with a better circuit.
what have you brought up all you say is rallying this...Porc/Audi this...if
you post your questions in a clean message I'll give you all the proof you
need and shut you up for a while.
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>it's far from garbage look at old issues of C & D and you'll see that the
>300ZX TT was the FASTEST Nissan produced, goggle is before the R34 it's just
>that you don't know where to look.
>
Then post a URL. C&D's website doesn't have articles that old. You need to
BRING PROOF.
>you do realize Sp Tour. is rallying on pavement, so it's in the same bag,
>come with a better circuit.
This is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me. Congratulations on
having no understanding whatsoever of anything at all.
>if
>you post your questions in a clean message I'll give you all the proof you
>need and shut you up for a while.
My posts have been organized and clear. Yours are jumbled and difficult to read
beyond being filled with lies and bullshit. You're DONE.
>300ZX TT was the FASTEST Nissan produced, goggle is before the R34 it's just
>that you don't know where to look.
>
Then post a URL. C&D's website doesn't have articles that old. You need to
BRING PROOF.
>you do realize Sp Tour. is rallying on pavement, so it's in the same bag,
>come with a better circuit.
This is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me. Congratulations on
having no understanding whatsoever of anything at all.
>if
>you post your questions in a clean message I'll give you all the proof you
>need and shut you up for a while.
My posts have been organized and clear. Yours are jumbled and difficult to read
beyond being filled with lies and bullshit. You're DONE.
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >it's far from garbage look at old issues of C & D and you'll see that the
> >300ZX TT was the FASTEST Nissan produced, goggle is before the R34 it's
just that you don't know where to look.
> >
>
> Then post a URL. C&D's website doesn't have articles that old. You need to
> BRING PROOF.
>
> >you do realize Sp Tour. is rallying on pavement, so it's in the same bag,
> >come with a better circuit.
>
> This is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me. Congratulations on
> having no understanding whatsoever of anything at all.
>
> >if
> >you post your questions in a clean message I'll give you all the proof
you
> >need and shut you up for a while.
>
> My posts have been organized and clear. Yours are jumbled and difficult to
read beyond being filled with lies and bullshit. You're DONE.
I'll scan in some old issues of C & D so you know. no it's not dumb it's
about the same circuit. no they haven't, well I guess it's not hard to make
a concise statement when you make the same agreement over and over.
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> >it's far from garbage look at old issues of C & D and you'll see that the
> >300ZX TT was the FASTEST Nissan produced, goggle is before the R34 it's
just that you don't know where to look.
> >
>
> Then post a URL. C&D's website doesn't have articles that old. You need to
> BRING PROOF.
>
> >you do realize Sp Tour. is rallying on pavement, so it's in the same bag,
> >come with a better circuit.
>
> This is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me. Congratulations on
> having no understanding whatsoever of anything at all.
>
> >if
> >you post your questions in a clean message I'll give you all the proof
you
> >need and shut you up for a while.
>
> My posts have been organized and clear. Yours are jumbled and difficult to
read beyond being filled with lies and bullshit. You're DONE.
I'll scan in some old issues of C & D so you know. no it's not dumb it's
about the same circuit. no they haven't, well I guess it's not hard to make
a concise statement when you make the same agreement over and over.
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> no it's not dumb it's
>about the same circuit.
Fine verbal skills have always been your best weapon Ghee, how dare I argue
with THIS? LOL
>well I guess it's not hard to make
>a concise statement when you make the same agreement over and over.
>
I like making agreements. At least I think I do....what does that mean again?
>about the same circuit.
Fine verbal skills have always been your best weapon Ghee, how dare I argue
with THIS? LOL
>well I guess it's not hard to make
>a concise statement when you make the same agreement over and over.
>
I like making agreements. At least I think I do....what does that mean again?
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > no it's not dumb it's about the same circuit.
>
> Fine verbal skills have always been your best weapon Ghee, how dare I
argue
> with THIS? LOL
>
> >well I guess it's not hard to make
> >a concise statement when you make the same agreement over and over.
> >
>
> I like making agreements. At least I think I do....what does that mean
again?
eww you so good, and spell so well, just read. arguments, spell checker, oh
well you should try it.
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> > no it's not dumb it's about the same circuit.
>
> Fine verbal skills have always been your best weapon Ghee, how dare I
argue
> with THIS? LOL
>
> >well I guess it's not hard to make
> >a concise statement when you make the same agreement over and over.
> >
>
> I like making agreements. At least I think I do....what does that mean
again?
eww you so good, and spell so well, just read. arguments, spell checker, oh
well you should try it.