Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Ghee, or whatever you want to call yourself:
> You ignore evidence, you cite certain racing classes and dismiss others,
you
> claim to be well read, yet act like an uninformed child, you've obviously
never
> done any racing beyond bench racing, your no better than a common troll,
and
> you shouldn't tell people to use a spell check when your grasp of English
is
> painfully poor. I'm done arguing with you. If you were as knowledgeable,
> experienced and well read as you claim to be you would see the advantages
of
> AWD as well as it's disadvantages, ditto for RWD and FWD. You're arguing a
lost cause and you fill your posts with lies and strawman arguments. Your
words are meaningless, and forgettable. Goodbye dear troll, your ability to
take up my
> time has suddenly vansihed, much like your smell vanishes in a storm wind.
what are you talking about my name has always been the same or can you not
read well??. you have yet to prove any evidence, I've asked you countless
times to show something but alas you come back with the same
drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying blah blah, I've refuted you at every step
and you've failed to acknowledge this all you can do is spout the same few
lines. Please take some time do some reading and learn something else but
what you've posted here. what racing classes the only thing you cited is
rallying how big is that in the rest of the world?? uninformed child I've
forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know anytime you wanna take an IQ
test I'll eat you alive. I have a few drag passes and I've some SCCA so is
that ok with you?? what lies have I ever posted you're the fool that said
Europe was immense. I'm sorry your now a candidate for Swan but I'm far
from a troll.
it's sad I've proven you wrong over and over again but all you can says is
cry, cry cry, be gone troll this is said Steve but sense you can't come up
with facts about the alleged superiority or AWD I would expect no less.
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> Ghee, or whatever you want to call yourself:
> You ignore evidence, you cite certain racing classes and dismiss others,
you
> claim to be well read, yet act like an uninformed child, you've obviously
never
> done any racing beyond bench racing, your no better than a common troll,
and
> you shouldn't tell people to use a spell check when your grasp of English
is
> painfully poor. I'm done arguing with you. If you were as knowledgeable,
> experienced and well read as you claim to be you would see the advantages
of
> AWD as well as it's disadvantages, ditto for RWD and FWD. You're arguing a
lost cause and you fill your posts with lies and strawman arguments. Your
words are meaningless, and forgettable. Goodbye dear troll, your ability to
take up my
> time has suddenly vansihed, much like your smell vanishes in a storm wind.
what are you talking about my name has always been the same or can you not
read well??. you have yet to prove any evidence, I've asked you countless
times to show something but alas you come back with the same
drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying blah blah, I've refuted you at every step
and you've failed to acknowledge this all you can do is spout the same few
lines. Please take some time do some reading and learn something else but
what you've posted here. what racing classes the only thing you cited is
rallying how big is that in the rest of the world?? uninformed child I've
forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know anytime you wanna take an IQ
test I'll eat you alive. I have a few drag passes and I've some SCCA so is
that ok with you?? what lies have I ever posted you're the fool that said
Europe was immense. I'm sorry your now a candidate for Swan but I'm far
from a troll.
it's sad I've proven you wrong over and over again but all you can says is
cry, cry cry, be gone troll this is said Steve but sense you can't come up
with facts about the alleged superiority or AWD I would expect no less.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>you have yet to prove any evidence
Only those with a sub-100 IQ would feel this way.
>I've asked you countless
>times to show something but alas you come back with the same
>drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying
Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge and
Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of AWD, and
they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's Touring/DTM cars have
proven time and time again on nearly every major circuit in the world which is
the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in
the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board and had Quattro banned as an unfair
advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally races and endurance runs at places like
Pikes Peak have proven the versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and
Mitsubishi found the benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to
learn as well. You have conjecture, I have proof.
>I've refuted you at every step
No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same silly,
unfounded arguments.
>Please take some time do some reading and learn something
If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the point.
> what racing classes the only thing you cited is
>rallying
How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or 15
times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs, Corvettes,
Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's meaningless because
Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
> how big is that in the rest of the world??
Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are still
beating BMWs.
>uninformed child I've
>forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know
I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
>anytime you wanna take an IQ
>test I'll eat you alive
I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence. BTW,
the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
>I have a few drag passes
You've been warned about dragging your *** on the carpet, boy.
> and I've some SCCA
You've had SCCA? How do have SCCA?
>so is
>that ok with you??
No.
Only those with a sub-100 IQ would feel this way.
>I've asked you countless
>times to show something but alas you come back with the same
>drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying
Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge and
Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of AWD, and
they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's Touring/DTM cars have
proven time and time again on nearly every major circuit in the world which is
the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in
the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board and had Quattro banned as an unfair
advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally races and endurance runs at places like
Pikes Peak have proven the versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and
Mitsubishi found the benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to
learn as well. You have conjecture, I have proof.
>I've refuted you at every step
No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same silly,
unfounded arguments.
>Please take some time do some reading and learn something
If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the point.
> what racing classes the only thing you cited is
>rallying
How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or 15
times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs, Corvettes,
Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's meaningless because
Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
> how big is that in the rest of the world??
Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are still
beating BMWs.
>uninformed child I've
>forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know
I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
>anytime you wanna take an IQ
>test I'll eat you alive
I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence. BTW,
the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
>I have a few drag passes
You've been warned about dragging your *** on the carpet, boy.
> and I've some SCCA
You've had SCCA? How do have SCCA?
>so is
>that ok with you??
No.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >you have yet to prove any evidence
>
> Only those with a sub-100 IQ would feel this way.
>
> >I've asked you countless
> >times to show something but alas you come back with the same
> >drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying
>
> Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge
and Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of
AWD, and they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's
Touring/DTM cars have proven time and time again on nearly every major
circuit in the world which is the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro
Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board
and had Quattro banned as an unfair advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally
races and endurance runs at places like Pikes Peak have proven the
versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and Mitsubishi found the
benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to learn as well. You
have conjecture, I have proof.
>
> >I've refuted you at every step
>
> No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same
silly,
> unfounded arguments.
>
> >Please take some time do some reading and learn something
>
> If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the
point.
>
> > what racing classes the only thing you cited is rallying
>
> How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or
15 times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs,
Corvettes, Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's
meaningless because Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
>
> > how big is that in the rest of the world??
>
> Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are
still
> beating BMWs.
>
> >uninformed child I've
> >forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know
>
> I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
>
> >anytime you wanna take an IQ
> >test I'll eat you alive
>
> I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence.
BTW, the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
>
> >I have a few drag passes
>
> You've been warned about dragging your *** on the carpet, boy.
>
> > and I've some SCCA
>
> You've had SCCA? How do have SCCA?
>
> >so is that ok with you??
>
> No.
since you have a sub 100 IQ I think you would feel that you have shown
anything more than fast typing. Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a
better racing record than Fer. are you stupid or just real slow?? The first
cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer?? so in a three small
race circuits AWD is king I have no doubt but for the big racing circuits
they're not explain this. BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell
well, Audi coming back from the brink of death using AWD as it's only crutch
in world of cars was a good ideal, now most car companies offer it on there
best selling models but on their TOP PERFORMING models it's still the tried
and true RWD for max performance. so if a tree falls in a forest does it
make a nose. if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold
BMW, oh never?? writing skill are only a part of IQ, why are you scared to
take one, do you not want me to show you up again. That was funny, your
best joke yet, you would save that. it was supposed to read I've raced in
SCCA have you?? I know it's not ok with you, you're a fool
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> >you have yet to prove any evidence
>
> Only those with a sub-100 IQ would feel this way.
>
> >I've asked you countless
> >times to show something but alas you come back with the same
> >drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying
>
> Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge
and Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of
AWD, and they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's
Touring/DTM cars have proven time and time again on nearly every major
circuit in the world which is the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro
Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board
and had Quattro banned as an unfair advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally
races and endurance runs at places like Pikes Peak have proven the
versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and Mitsubishi found the
benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to learn as well. You
have conjecture, I have proof.
>
> >I've refuted you at every step
>
> No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same
silly,
> unfounded arguments.
>
> >Please take some time do some reading and learn something
>
> If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the
point.
>
> > what racing classes the only thing you cited is rallying
>
> How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or
15 times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs,
Corvettes, Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's
meaningless because Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
>
> > how big is that in the rest of the world??
>
> Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are
still
> beating BMWs.
>
> >uninformed child I've
> >forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know
>
> I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
>
> >anytime you wanna take an IQ
> >test I'll eat you alive
>
> I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence.
BTW, the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
>
> >I have a few drag passes
>
> You've been warned about dragging your *** on the carpet, boy.
>
> > and I've some SCCA
>
> You've had SCCA? How do have SCCA?
>
> >so is that ok with you??
>
> No.
since you have a sub 100 IQ I think you would feel that you have shown
anything more than fast typing. Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a
better racing record than Fer. are you stupid or just real slow?? The first
cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer?? so in a three small
race circuits AWD is king I have no doubt but for the big racing circuits
they're not explain this. BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell
well, Audi coming back from the brink of death using AWD as it's only crutch
in world of cars was a good ideal, now most car companies offer it on there
best selling models but on their TOP PERFORMING models it's still the tried
and true RWD for max performance. so if a tree falls in a forest does it
make a nose. if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold
BMW, oh never?? writing skill are only a part of IQ, why are you scared to
take one, do you not want me to show you up again. That was funny, your
best joke yet, you would save that. it was supposed to read I've raced in
SCCA have you?? I know it's not ok with you, you're a fool
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>Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a
>better racing record than Fer
Porsche has 16 overall victories at LeMans, more than any other manufacturer
EVER and well more than Ferrari. Porsche cars hold class and overall victories
records in the ALMS, the Rolex 24 hours, the Paris-Dakar Rally, the Targa
Floria, the Carrera Panamerica, and in other arenas as well. Audi won LeMans 3
years straight, one of the only compaines to do so, the 4th year Audi RS8s took
2nd and 3rd at the podium to a first place finish by an Audi powered Bentley.
They're the ONLY company to ever win the 12 hours of Sebring 5 times
consecitvely. They have 4 consecutive overall wins of the ALMS, they owned
rallye in the 1980s and the destroyed companies like BMW in Touring during the
1990s. Care to try to match Ferrari's race record to that? The only arean they
have any impressive results in is F1. And while I'm an F1 fan, Audi/VW and
Porsche don't compete there, and it's hardly pulling in record ratings.
>The first
>cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer??
You need to do some reading son. Take a look at the track records of AWD use
for Audi and Porsche. Subaru is the only other comapny that can stand up.
> BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell
>well
Because BMW ovcercharges for an already expensive technology, and it hadn't
caught on yet in North America. Look at Subaru's sales from the same era, they
didn't field the 80s well either.
> if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold
>BMW, oh never
You obviously have no grasp on marketing and how brand names factors into
sales. People buy Ferrari's despite their horrendous reliability track record.
>better racing record than Fer
Porsche has 16 overall victories at LeMans, more than any other manufacturer
EVER and well more than Ferrari. Porsche cars hold class and overall victories
records in the ALMS, the Rolex 24 hours, the Paris-Dakar Rally, the Targa
Floria, the Carrera Panamerica, and in other arenas as well. Audi won LeMans 3
years straight, one of the only compaines to do so, the 4th year Audi RS8s took
2nd and 3rd at the podium to a first place finish by an Audi powered Bentley.
They're the ONLY company to ever win the 12 hours of Sebring 5 times
consecitvely. They have 4 consecutive overall wins of the ALMS, they owned
rallye in the 1980s and the destroyed companies like BMW in Touring during the
1990s. Care to try to match Ferrari's race record to that? The only arean they
have any impressive results in is F1. And while I'm an F1 fan, Audi/VW and
Porsche don't compete there, and it's hardly pulling in record ratings.
>The first
>cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer??
You need to do some reading son. Take a look at the track records of AWD use
for Audi and Porsche. Subaru is the only other comapny that can stand up.
> BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell
>well
Because BMW ovcercharges for an already expensive technology, and it hadn't
caught on yet in North America. Look at Subaru's sales from the same era, they
didn't field the 80s well either.
> if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold
>BMW, oh never
You obviously have no grasp on marketing and how brand names factors into
sales. People buy Ferrari's despite their horrendous reliability track record.
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a
> >better racing record than Fer
>
> Porsche has 16 overall victories at LeMans, more than any other
manufacturer
> EVER and well more than Ferrari. Porsche cars hold class and overall
victories
> records in the ALMS, the Rolex 24 hours, the Paris-Dakar Rally, the Targa
> Floria, the Carrera Panamerica, and in other arenas as well. Audi won
LeMans 3 years straight, one of the only compaines to do so, the 4th year
Audi RS8s took 2nd and 3rd at the podium to a first place finish by an Audi
powered Bentley.
> They're the ONLY company to ever win the 12 hours of Sebring 5 times
> consecitvely. They have 4 consecutive overall wins of the ALMS, they owned
> rallye in the 1980s and the destroyed companies like BMW in Touring during
the
> 1990s. Care to try to match Ferrari's race record to that? The only arean
they
> have any impressive results in is F1. And while I'm an F1 fan, Audi/VW and
> Porsche don't compete there, and it's hardly pulling in record ratings.
>
> >The first
> >cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer??
>
> You need to do some reading son. Take a look at the track records of AWD
use for Audi and Porsche. Subaru is the only other comapny that can stand
up.
>
> > BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell
> >well
>
> Because BMW ovcercharges for an already expensive technology, and it
hadn't caught on yet in North America. Look at Subaru's sales from the same
era, they didn't field the 80s well either.
>
> > if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold
> >BMW, oh never
>
> You obviously have no grasp on marketing and how brand names factors into
> sales. People buy Ferrari's despite their horrendous reliability track
record.
so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
serious?? I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys. most
manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for prestige.
dumbass you again gloss over my point I'm not talking about who does it now
I'm talking about who was the first, something else to show you up.
you're funny, I make a statement, and you make some off the wall comment,
about totally different topic, please stay on the path. which you've lost
many times over.
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> >Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a
> >better racing record than Fer
>
> Porsche has 16 overall victories at LeMans, more than any other
manufacturer
> EVER and well more than Ferrari. Porsche cars hold class and overall
victories
> records in the ALMS, the Rolex 24 hours, the Paris-Dakar Rally, the Targa
> Floria, the Carrera Panamerica, and in other arenas as well. Audi won
LeMans 3 years straight, one of the only compaines to do so, the 4th year
Audi RS8s took 2nd and 3rd at the podium to a first place finish by an Audi
powered Bentley.
> They're the ONLY company to ever win the 12 hours of Sebring 5 times
> consecitvely. They have 4 consecutive overall wins of the ALMS, they owned
> rallye in the 1980s and the destroyed companies like BMW in Touring during
the
> 1990s. Care to try to match Ferrari's race record to that? The only arean
they
> have any impressive results in is F1. And while I'm an F1 fan, Audi/VW and
> Porsche don't compete there, and it's hardly pulling in record ratings.
>
> >The first
> >cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer??
>
> You need to do some reading son. Take a look at the track records of AWD
use for Audi and Porsche. Subaru is the only other comapny that can stand
up.
>
> > BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell
> >well
>
> Because BMW ovcercharges for an already expensive technology, and it
hadn't caught on yet in North America. Look at Subaru's sales from the same
era, they didn't field the 80s well either.
>
> > if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold
> >BMW, oh never
>
> You obviously have no grasp on marketing and how brand names factors into
> sales. People buy Ferrari's despite their horrendous reliability track
record.
so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
serious?? I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys. most
manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for prestige.
dumbass you again gloss over my point I'm not talking about who does it now
I'm talking about who was the first, something else to show you up.
you're funny, I make a statement, and you make some off the wall comment,
about totally different topic, please stay on the path. which you've lost
many times over.
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>so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
>serious??
I never factored viewership into the equation except for to say that F1 isn't
exactly pulling major viewership. You're far to attached to viewership;
according to your logic, Nascar is the only series that should matter. Besides,
you ignored all the wins in other race series I listed. They are all
prestigious and all important to a real racing fan. But you're not really a
racing fan, are you?
>I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys
Ha! I'm sorry Ferrari is so narrow minded and scared of real competition that
they've negelected the oppurtunity to compete in other arenas. Their racing
record is a sad one compared to Audi/Porsche. You know they weren't at LeMans
for years because of Porsche, right?
>most
>manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for prestige.
You're saying that F1 wins garner profits for Ferrari? Are you serious? You're
talking about a manufacturer who's cheapest product pushes $100,000 and exports
fewer than 1,500 cars a year. F1 does little or nothing to help their sales.
>dumbass you again gloss over my point
God damn, isn;t that the pot calling the kettle black! I've hit every "major"
point of yours, while post after post you blatantly ignore my major points and
then LIE to cover your ***. You're a serious loser.
>serious??
I never factored viewership into the equation except for to say that F1 isn't
exactly pulling major viewership. You're far to attached to viewership;
according to your logic, Nascar is the only series that should matter. Besides,
you ignored all the wins in other race series I listed. They are all
prestigious and all important to a real racing fan. But you're not really a
racing fan, are you?
>I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys
Ha! I'm sorry Ferrari is so narrow minded and scared of real competition that
they've negelected the oppurtunity to compete in other arenas. Their racing
record is a sad one compared to Audi/Porsche. You know they weren't at LeMans
for years because of Porsche, right?
>most
>manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for prestige.
You're saying that F1 wins garner profits for Ferrari? Are you serious? You're
talking about a manufacturer who's cheapest product pushes $100,000 and exports
fewer than 1,500 cars a year. F1 does little or nothing to help their sales.
>dumbass you again gloss over my point
God damn, isn;t that the pot calling the kettle black! I've hit every "major"
point of yours, while post after post you blatantly ignore my major points and
then LIE to cover your ***. You're a serious loser.
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
> >serious??
>
> I never factored viewership into the equation except for to say that F1
isn't exactly pulling major viewership. You're far to attached to
viewership;
> according to your logic, Nascar is the only series that should matter.
Besides, you ignored all the wins in other race series I listed. They are
all
> prestigious and all important to a real racing fan. But you're not really
a racing fan, are you?
>
> >I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys
>
> Ha! I'm sorry Ferrari is so narrow minded and scared of real competition
that they've negelected the oppurtunity to compete in other arenas. Their
racing record is a sad one compared to Audi/Porsche. You know they weren't
at
LeMans for years because of Porsche, right?
>
> >most
> >manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for
prestige.
>
> You're saying that F1 wins garner profits for Ferrari? Are you serious?
You're talking about a manufacturer who's cheapest product pushes $100,000
and exports fewer than 1,500 cars a year. F1 does little or nothing to help
their
sales.
>
> >dumbass you again gloss over my point
>
> God damn, isn;t that the pot calling the kettle black! I've hit every
"major" point of yours, while post after post you blatantly ignore my major
points
and then LIE to cover your ***. You're a serious loser.
You said that LeMans is better than F1, I was just showing the errors in
your ways. F1 is still the most watched motorsport outside the US. I
didn't ignore them but a lot of those wins were with RWD not AWD so that
goes against you. No if you READ is I said it does nothing for sales but
prestige. You have yet to hit any of points if you talked about anything
past the Audi group you may, but the only cars outside of that company I've
brought up, I don't need to lie I'm owning you son, step up your game and
give me a real debate.
news:20040407163739.17939.00001009@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
> >serious??
>
> I never factored viewership into the equation except for to say that F1
isn't exactly pulling major viewership. You're far to attached to
viewership;
> according to your logic, Nascar is the only series that should matter.
Besides, you ignored all the wins in other race series I listed. They are
all
> prestigious and all important to a real racing fan. But you're not really
a racing fan, are you?
>
> >I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys
>
> Ha! I'm sorry Ferrari is so narrow minded and scared of real competition
that they've negelected the oppurtunity to compete in other arenas. Their
racing record is a sad one compared to Audi/Porsche. You know they weren't
at
LeMans for years because of Porsche, right?
>
> >most
> >manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for
prestige.
>
> You're saying that F1 wins garner profits for Ferrari? Are you serious?
You're talking about a manufacturer who's cheapest product pushes $100,000
and exports fewer than 1,500 cars a year. F1 does little or nothing to help
their
sales.
>
> >dumbass you again gloss over my point
>
> God damn, isn;t that the pot calling the kettle black! I've hit every
"major" point of yours, while post after post you blatantly ignore my major
points
and then LIE to cover your ***. You're a serious loser.
You said that LeMans is better than F1, I was just showing the errors in
your ways. F1 is still the most watched motorsport outside the US. I
didn't ignore them but a lot of those wins were with RWD not AWD so that
goes against you. No if you READ is I said it does nothing for sales but
prestige. You have yet to hit any of points if you talked about anything
past the Audi group you may, but the only cars outside of that company I've
brought up, I don't need to lie I'm owning you son, step up your game and
give me a real debate.
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407163739.17939.00001009@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
> >serious??
>
> I never factored viewership into the equation except for to say that F1
isn't exactly pulling major viewership. You're far to attached to
viewership;
> according to your logic, Nascar is the only series that should matter.
Besides, you ignored all the wins in other race series I listed. They are
all
> prestigious and all important to a real racing fan. But you're not really
a racing fan, are you?
>
> >I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys
>
> Ha! I'm sorry Ferrari is so narrow minded and scared of real competition
that they've negelected the oppurtunity to compete in other arenas. Their
racing record is a sad one compared to Audi/Porsche. You know they weren't
at
LeMans for years because of Porsche, right?
>
> >most
> >manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for
prestige.
>
> You're saying that F1 wins garner profits for Ferrari? Are you serious?
You're talking about a manufacturer who's cheapest product pushes $100,000
and exports fewer than 1,500 cars a year. F1 does little or nothing to help
their
sales.
>
> >dumbass you again gloss over my point
>
> God damn, isn;t that the pot calling the kettle black! I've hit every
"major" point of yours, while post after post you blatantly ignore my major
points
and then LIE to cover your ***. You're a serious loser.
You said that LeMans is better than F1, I was just showing the errors in
your ways. F1 is still the most watched motorsport outside the US. I
didn't ignore them but a lot of those wins were with RWD not AWD so that
goes against you. No if you READ is I said it does nothing for sales but
prestige. You have yet to hit any of points if you talked about anything
past the Audi group you may, but the only cars outside of that company I've
brought up, I don't need to lie I'm owning you son, step up your game and
give me a real debate.
news:20040407163739.17939.00001009@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >so you're saying that LeMans pulls in better rating than F1, are you
> >serious??
>
> I never factored viewership into the equation except for to say that F1
isn't exactly pulling major viewership. You're far to attached to
viewership;
> according to your logic, Nascar is the only series that should matter.
Besides, you ignored all the wins in other race series I listed. They are
all
> prestigious and all important to a real racing fan. But you're not really
a racing fan, are you?
>
> >I'm sorry A/P is scared to compete with the big boys
>
> Ha! I'm sorry Ferrari is so narrow minded and scared of real competition
that they've negelected the oppurtunity to compete in other arenas. Their
racing record is a sad one compared to Audi/Porsche. You know they weren't
at
LeMans for years because of Porsche, right?
>
> >most
> >manuf. don't see a return on investments with LeMans it's more for
prestige.
>
> You're saying that F1 wins garner profits for Ferrari? Are you serious?
You're talking about a manufacturer who's cheapest product pushes $100,000
and exports fewer than 1,500 cars a year. F1 does little or nothing to help
their
sales.
>
> >dumbass you again gloss over my point
>
> God damn, isn;t that the pot calling the kettle black! I've hit every
"major" point of yours, while post after post you blatantly ignore my major
points
and then LIE to cover your ***. You're a serious loser.
You said that LeMans is better than F1, I was just showing the errors in
your ways. F1 is still the most watched motorsport outside the US. I
didn't ignore them but a lot of those wins were with RWD not AWD so that
goes against you. No if you READ is I said it does nothing for sales but
prestige. You have yet to hit any of points if you talked about anything
past the Audi group you may, but the only cars outside of that company I've
brought up, I don't need to lie I'm owning you son, step up your game and
give me a real debate.
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Posts: n/a
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040403021227.03938.00000715@mb-m05.aol.com...
> >you have yet to prove any evidence
>
> Only those with a sub-100 IQ would feel this way.
>
> >I've asked you countless times to show something but alas you come back
with the same drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying
>
> Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge
and Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of
AWD, and they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's
Touring/DTM cars have proven time and time again on nearly every major
circuit in the world which is the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro
Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board
and had Quattro banned as an unfair advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally
races and endurance runs at places like Pikes Peak have proven the
versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and Mitsubishi found the
benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to learn as well. You
have conjecture, I have proof.
>
> >I've refuted you at every step
>
> No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same
silly,
> unfounded arguments.
>
> >Please take some time do some reading and learn something
>
> If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the
point.
>
> > what racing classes the only thing you cited is rallying
>
> How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or
15 times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs,
Corvettes, Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's
meaningless because Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
>
> > how big is that in the rest of the world??
>
> Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are
still
> beating BMWs.
>
> >uninformed child I've forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know
>
> I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
>
> >anytime you wanna take an IQ test I'll eat you alive
>
> I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence.
BTW, the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
>
> >I have a few drag passes
>
> You've been warned about dragging your *** on the carpet, boy.
>
> > and I've some SCCA
>
> You've had SCCA? How do have SCCA?
>
> >so is
> >that ok with you??
>
> No.
I guess it makes sense, since you have a sub 75 IQ. Stevie are that sad
that you much use my statements, so can you not debate but your also have no
creativity. A/P were not the pioneers of AWD, GM was. I'm sorry lil' girl
you can't debate, so you have to revert to this. only in that circuit, Sp.
Tour but not that many others. same difference between rallying and Sp
Tour. I guess that's more than you, since your dad took you out in the 6th
grade to have fun with the farm animals. It's not self proclaiming, but a
challenge are you afraid to take it, or do you have a low IQ like I've
typed. writing skills have little to do with intellect. again can you not
come up with any better material or are you real slow??
news:20040403021227.03938.00000715@mb-m05.aol.com...
> >you have yet to prove any evidence
>
> Only those with a sub-100 IQ would feel this way.
>
> >I've asked you countless times to show something but alas you come back
with the same drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying
>
> Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge
and Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of
AWD, and they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's
Touring/DTM cars have proven time and time again on nearly every major
circuit in the world which is the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro
Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board
and had Quattro banned as an unfair advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally
races and endurance runs at places like Pikes Peak have proven the
versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and Mitsubishi found the
benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to learn as well. You
have conjecture, I have proof.
>
> >I've refuted you at every step
>
> No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same
silly,
> unfounded arguments.
>
> >Please take some time do some reading and learn something
>
> If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the
point.
>
> > what racing classes the only thing you cited is rallying
>
> How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or
15 times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs,
Corvettes, Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's
meaningless because Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
>
> > how big is that in the rest of the world??
>
> Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are
still
> beating BMWs.
>
> >uninformed child I've forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know
>
> I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
>
> >anytime you wanna take an IQ test I'll eat you alive
>
> I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence.
BTW, the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
>
> >I have a few drag passes
>
> You've been warned about dragging your *** on the carpet, boy.
>
> > and I've some SCCA
>
> You've had SCCA? How do have SCCA?
>
> >so is
> >that ok with you??
>
> No.
I guess it makes sense, since you have a sub 75 IQ. Stevie are that sad
that you much use my statements, so can you not debate but your also have no
creativity. A/P were not the pioneers of AWD, GM was. I'm sorry lil' girl
you can't debate, so you have to revert to this. only in that circuit, Sp.
Tour but not that many others. same difference between rallying and Sp
Tour. I guess that's more than you, since your dad took you out in the 6th
grade to have fun with the farm animals. It's not self proclaiming, but a
challenge are you afraid to take it, or do you have a low IQ like I've
typed. writing skills have little to do with intellect. again can you not
come up with any better material or are you real slow??
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040404200640.16057.00000705@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a better racing record than Fer
>
> Porsche has 16 overall victories at LeMans, more than any other
manufacturer
> EVER and well more than Ferrari. Porsche cars hold class and overall
victories
> records in the ALMS, the Rolex 24 hours, the Paris-Dakar Rally, the Targa
> Floria, the Carrera Panamerica, and in other arenas as well. Audi won
LeMans 3 years straight, one of the only compaines to do so, the 4th year
Audi RS8s took 2nd and 3rd at the podium to a first place finish by an Audi
powered Bentley. They're the ONLY company to ever win the 12 hours of
Sebring 5 times
> consecitvely. They have 4 consecutive overall wins of the ALMS, they owned
> rallye in the 1980s and the destroyed companies like BMW in Touring during
the 1990s. Care to try to match Ferrari's race record to that? The only
arean they
> have any impressive results in is F1. And while I'm an F1 fan, Audi/VW and
> Porsche don't compete there, and it's hardly pulling in record ratings.
>
> >The first cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer??
>
> You need to do some reading son. Take a look at the track records of AWD
use for Audi and Porsche. Subaru is the only other comapny that can stand
up.
>
> > BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell well
>
> Because BMW ovcercharges for an already expensive technology, and it
hadn't caught on yet in North America. Look at Subaru's sales from the same
era, they didn't field the 80s well either.
>
> > if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold BMW, oh
never
>
> You obviously have no grasp on marketing and how brand names factors into
> sales. People buy Ferrari's despite their horrendous reliability track
record.
No, I'm talking about all Racing Circuits not just LeMans I think Fer is has
the most motorsports wins outside the US. If you READ, and look I said that
GM was the first but again you show your lack of comprehension and reading
skills. ok, are you saying that Audi is more reliable than Fer., there
about the same they both suck.
news:20040404200640.16057.00000705@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a better racing record than Fer
>
> Porsche has 16 overall victories at LeMans, more than any other
manufacturer
> EVER and well more than Ferrari. Porsche cars hold class and overall
victories
> records in the ALMS, the Rolex 24 hours, the Paris-Dakar Rally, the Targa
> Floria, the Carrera Panamerica, and in other arenas as well. Audi won
LeMans 3 years straight, one of the only compaines to do so, the 4th year
Audi RS8s took 2nd and 3rd at the podium to a first place finish by an Audi
powered Bentley. They're the ONLY company to ever win the 12 hours of
Sebring 5 times
> consecitvely. They have 4 consecutive overall wins of the ALMS, they owned
> rallye in the 1980s and the destroyed companies like BMW in Touring during
the 1990s. Care to try to match Ferrari's race record to that? The only
arean they
> have any impressive results in is F1. And while I'm an F1 fan, Audi/VW and
> Porsche don't compete there, and it's hardly pulling in record ratings.
>
> >The first cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer??
>
> You need to do some reading son. Take a look at the track records of AWD
use for Audi and Porsche. Subaru is the only other comapny that can stand
up.
>
> > BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell well
>
> Because BMW ovcercharges for an already expensive technology, and it
hadn't caught on yet in North America. Look at Subaru's sales from the same
era, they didn't field the 80s well either.
>
> > if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold BMW, oh
never
>
> You obviously have no grasp on marketing and how brand names factors into
> sales. People buy Ferrari's despite their horrendous reliability track
record.
No, I'm talking about all Racing Circuits not just LeMans I think Fer is has
the most motorsports wins outside the US. If you READ, and look I said that
GM was the first but again you show your lack of comprehension and reading
skills. ok, are you saying that Audi is more reliable than Fer., there
about the same they both suck.