KIP

Dan Koren <dankoren@yahoo.com> wrote:


> As you may have noticed, mindsets take a lot longer to
> change than technology. 50 years ago, automatics were
> clunkier, heavier and less fuel efficient than stick
> shifts, not to mention less responsive. They were
> also less reliable. Nowadays, things have reversed
> completely. Even race cars use automatics nowadays.
> Race drivers cannot shift as quickly as an automatic.

Why are you people giving me advices I did not asked for?
And why do you care what I drive? And how come you have an
opinion about the subject you have no idea about?

I do not care what you drive, just be happy with it. And
why do you think even Cadillac is offering a stick shift
in its CTS regardless of 50 years of technology? I'll tell
you why. Because there is a number of people who knows the
difference. I do not care how fast a slush box is able to shift,
it is not about the shifting speed at all. It is about control,
convenience, comfort and safety if you like, but I doubt that
you'll understand. I do not want buttons, I want a real thing,
pure and perfect.

> Some people however still cling to their prejudices.

Stay blindfolded if you like, I dont care.

> Personally, I'd like to see stick-shifts outlawed
> as they are a definite safety hazard.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Thank you,
I've had a very good laugh.

Ironically the car is not even for me, it is for my wife. I'm
quite happy with my two-seater, and not going to replace it
in the nearest future.

But, I have a very bad news for you. I bought her a car, and it
is an A6 with 6 speed. We also considered a BMW 530, which she
liked the most, but in the area where we live having an AWD is
a good advantage, and we decided to get this one. So, I might be
insulting you guys once in a while

Thanks,
Vlad


> "AustinMini.OsiTech.Net" <QuickSilver@OsiTech.Net(remove)> wrote in message
> news:n2Byd.5424$h.2302@trnddc04...
> > It befuddles me why anyone will want a stick shift luxury car. Especially
> > when the same model offers a tiptronic.
> >
> > This is why I ended up with an Audi and not a WRX.
> >
> > --
> > _________________________________
> > http://austinmini.ositech.net
> > Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants
> for
> > sale in the USA.
> >
> > "Dan Koren" <dankoren@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:41ca60fb$1@news.meer.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > "KIP" <not@foruse.org> wrote in message
> > > news:i46dnbaUYIcgDFXcRVn-sg@rcn.net...
> > >> KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:05:53 -0600, KIP <not@foruse.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >Me and my wife test drove a 2001 A6 2.7T 6M and found a couple of
> > >> > >glitches which I would like to share with the group. The steering
> > >> > >wheel does not provide a reasonable response even in turns, and
> > >> > >the gas pedal is so light that you do not feel any resistance at
> > >> > >all. As far as I know it is a 'drive-by-wire' system, not a direct
> > >> > >link, and it might be a cause of the problem.
> > >>
> > >> > Subaru is a lot cheaper than Audi, so do consider it (advice from
> > >> > someone with a 1999 Legacy Outback and a 1998 Audi A4 2.8Q), but
> these
> > >> > two features of the car you drove are not normal for an Audi. Pass
> on
> > >> > that car and find a different Audi.
> > >>
> > >> 2001 A6s are coming off lease, and those with a stick shift are rare,
> at
> > >> least in my area. Only two of them are near by. Not too many choices
> > >> unfortunately. I'll try to look onto another one later this week.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Then ask yourself whether having a stick-shift is a
> > > real requirement, or just a prejudice or superstition
> > > from another time. There isn't anything a stick-shift
> > > can do that an automatic cannot -- especially one like
> > > Audi's Tiptronic, which you can always drive as if it
> > > were a stick without having to worry about replacing
> > > clutches.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > dk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

KIP

Dan Koren <dankoren@yahoo.com> wrote:


> As you may have noticed, mindsets take a lot longer to
> change than technology. 50 years ago, automatics were
> clunkier, heavier and less fuel efficient than stick
> shifts, not to mention less responsive. They were
> also less reliable. Nowadays, things have reversed
> completely. Even race cars use automatics nowadays.
> Race drivers cannot shift as quickly as an automatic.

Why are you people giving me advices I did not asked for?
And why do you care what I drive? And how come you have an
opinion about the subject you have no idea about?

I do not care what you drive, just be happy with it. And
why do you think even Cadillac is offering a stick shift
in its CTS regardless of 50 years of technology? I'll tell
you why. Because there is a number of people who knows the
difference. I do not care how fast a slush box is able to shift,
it is not about the shifting speed at all. It is about control,
convenience, comfort and safety if you like, but I doubt that
you'll understand. I do not want buttons, I want a real thing,
pure and perfect.

> Some people however still cling to their prejudices.

Stay blindfolded if you like, I dont care.

> Personally, I'd like to see stick-shifts outlawed
> as they are a definite safety hazard.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Thank you,
I've had a very good laugh.

Ironically the car is not even for me, it is for my wife. I'm
quite happy with my two-seater, and not going to replace it
in the nearest future.

But, I have a very bad news for you. I bought her a car, and it
is an A6 with 6 speed. We also considered a BMW 530, which she
liked the most, but in the area where we live having an AWD is
a good advantage, and we decided to get this one. So, I might be
insulting you guys once in a while

Thanks,
Vlad


> "AustinMini.OsiTech.Net" <QuickSilver@OsiTech.Net(remove)> wrote in message
> news:n2Byd.5424$h.2302@trnddc04...
> > It befuddles me why anyone will want a stick shift luxury car. Especially
> > when the same model offers a tiptronic.
> >
> > This is why I ended up with an Audi and not a WRX.
> >
> > --
> > _________________________________
> > http://austinmini.ositech.net
> > Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants
> for
> > sale in the USA.
> >
> > "Dan Koren" <dankoren@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:41ca60fb$1@news.meer.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > "KIP" <not@foruse.org> wrote in message
> > > news:i46dnbaUYIcgDFXcRVn-sg@rcn.net...
> > >> KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:05:53 -0600, KIP <not@foruse.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >Me and my wife test drove a 2001 A6 2.7T 6M and found a couple of
> > >> > >glitches which I would like to share with the group. The steering
> > >> > >wheel does not provide a reasonable response even in turns, and
> > >> > >the gas pedal is so light that you do not feel any resistance at
> > >> > >all. As far as I know it is a 'drive-by-wire' system, not a direct
> > >> > >link, and it might be a cause of the problem.
> > >>
> > >> > Subaru is a lot cheaper than Audi, so do consider it (advice from
> > >> > someone with a 1999 Legacy Outback and a 1998 Audi A4 2.8Q), but
> these
> > >> > two features of the car you drove are not normal for an Audi. Pass
> on
> > >> > that car and find a different Audi.
> > >>
> > >> 2001 A6s are coming off lease, and those with a stick shift are rare,
> at
> > >> least in my area. Only two of them are near by. Not too many choices
> > >> unfortunately. I'll try to look onto another one later this week.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Then ask yourself whether having a stick-shift is a
> > > real requirement, or just a prejudice or superstition
> > > from another time. There isn't anything a stick-shift
> > > can do that an automatic cannot -- especially one like
> > > Audi's Tiptronic, which you can always drive as if it
> > > were a stick without having to worry about replacing
> > > clutches.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > dk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

KIP

Dan Koren <dankoren@yahoo.com> wrote:


> As you may have noticed, mindsets take a lot longer to
> change than technology. 50 years ago, automatics were
> clunkier, heavier and less fuel efficient than stick
> shifts, not to mention less responsive. They were
> also less reliable. Nowadays, things have reversed
> completely. Even race cars use automatics nowadays.
> Race drivers cannot shift as quickly as an automatic.

Why are you people giving me advices I did not asked for?
And why do you care what I drive? And how come you have an
opinion about the subject you have no idea about?

I do not care what you drive, just be happy with it. And
why do you think even Cadillac is offering a stick shift
in its CTS regardless of 50 years of technology? I'll tell
you why. Because there is a number of people who knows the
difference. I do not care how fast a slush box is able to shift,
it is not about the shifting speed at all. It is about control,
convenience, comfort and safety if you like, but I doubt that
you'll understand. I do not want buttons, I want a real thing,
pure and perfect.

> Some people however still cling to their prejudices.

Stay blindfolded if you like, I dont care.

> Personally, I'd like to see stick-shifts outlawed
> as they are a definite safety hazard.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Thank you,
I've had a very good laugh.

Ironically the car is not even for me, it is for my wife. I'm
quite happy with my two-seater, and not going to replace it
in the nearest future.

But, I have a very bad news for you. I bought her a car, and it
is an A6 with 6 speed. We also considered a BMW 530, which she
liked the most, but in the area where we live having an AWD is
a good advantage, and we decided to get this one. So, I might be
insulting you guys once in a while

Thanks,
Vlad


> "AustinMini.OsiTech.Net" <QuickSilver@OsiTech.Net(remove)> wrote in message
> news:n2Byd.5424$h.2302@trnddc04...
> > It befuddles me why anyone will want a stick shift luxury car. Especially
> > when the same model offers a tiptronic.
> >
> > This is why I ended up with an Audi and not a WRX.
> >
> > --
> > _________________________________
> > http://austinmini.ositech.net
> > Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants
> for
> > sale in the USA.
> >
> > "Dan Koren" <dankoren@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:41ca60fb$1@news.meer.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > "KIP" <not@foruse.org> wrote in message
> > > news:i46dnbaUYIcgDFXcRVn-sg@rcn.net...
> > >> KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:05:53 -0600, KIP <not@foruse.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >Me and my wife test drove a 2001 A6 2.7T 6M and found a couple of
> > >> > >glitches which I would like to share with the group. The steering
> > >> > >wheel does not provide a reasonable response even in turns, and
> > >> > >the gas pedal is so light that you do not feel any resistance at
> > >> > >all. As far as I know it is a 'drive-by-wire' system, not a direct
> > >> > >link, and it might be a cause of the problem.
> > >>
> > >> > Subaru is a lot cheaper than Audi, so do consider it (advice from
> > >> > someone with a 1999 Legacy Outback and a 1998 Audi A4 2.8Q), but
> these
> > >> > two features of the car you drove are not normal for an Audi. Pass
> on
> > >> > that car and find a different Audi.
> > >>
> > >> 2001 A6s are coming off lease, and those with a stick shift are rare,
> at
> > >> least in my area. Only two of them are near by. Not too many choices
> > >> unfortunately. I'll try to look onto another one later this week.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Then ask yourself whether having a stick-shift is a
> > > real requirement, or just a prejudice or superstition
> > > from another time. There isn't anything a stick-shift
> > > can do that an automatic cannot -- especially one like
> > > Audi's Tiptronic, which you can always drive as if it
> > > were a stick without having to worry about replacing
> > > clutches.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > dk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Seattle@audi.com

I had a 2001 A6 2.7T for four years and sold it to get the new A6. I
thought the 2001 was an excellent driver's car, and had no problem with
steering feedback, etc. The Tiptronic was another matter, because in 2001,
at least for the US, they shut out the ability to shift down to first gear,
or to start in first unless you mashed the accelerator. Frankly the A6 was
probably still the best sedan that year, but the second gear thing was
really annoying, and all to satisfy CAFE standards.

Seattle@audi.com

I had a 2001 A6 2.7T for four years and sold it to get the new A6. I
thought the 2001 was an excellent driver's car, and had no problem with
steering feedback, etc. The Tiptronic was another matter, because in 2001,
at least for the US, they shut out the ability to shift down to first gear,
or to start in first unless you mashed the accelerator. Frankly the A6 was
probably still the best sedan that year, but the second gear thing was
really annoying, and all to satisfy CAFE standards.

Seattle@audi.com

I had a 2001 A6 2.7T for four years and sold it to get the new A6. I
thought the 2001 was an excellent driver's car, and had no problem with
steering feedback, etc. The Tiptronic was another matter, because in 2001,
at least for the US, they shut out the ability to shift down to first gear,
or to start in first unless you mashed the accelerator. Frankly the A6 was
probably still the best sedan that year, but the second gear thing was
really annoying, and all to satisfy CAFE standards.