Noisy in cold weather for short time
12-06-2004, 03:04 PM
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
Ted Johnson wrote:
>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>
>
> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> -Ted
Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
-Fred W
>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>
>
> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> -Ted
Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
-Fred W
12-07-2004, 11:19 AM
#32
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
> Ted Johnson wrote:
>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>
>>
>> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -Ted
>
> Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
> mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
> type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
> have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
> Ted Johnson wrote:
>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>
>>
>> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -Ted
>
> Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
> mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
> type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
> have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
12-07-2004, 11:19 AM
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
> Ted Johnson wrote:
>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>
>>
>> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -Ted
>
> Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
> mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
> type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
> have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
> Ted Johnson wrote:
>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>
>>
>> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -Ted
>
> Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
> mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
> type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
> have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
12-07-2004, 11:19 AM
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
> Ted Johnson wrote:
>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>
>>
>> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -Ted
>
> Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
> mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
> type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
> have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
> Ted Johnson wrote:
>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>
>>
>> How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>> Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -Ted
>
> Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
> mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
> type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
> have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
12-08-2004, 10:03 AM
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
Juhan Leemet wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
>
>
>>Ted Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>>>Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>-Ted
>>
>>Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
>>mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
>>type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
>>have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
>
>
> Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
> was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
> kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
>
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
>
>
>>Ted Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>>>Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>-Ted
>>
>>Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
>>mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
>>type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
>>have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
>
>
> Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
> was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
> kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
>
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W
12-08-2004, 10:03 AM
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
Juhan Leemet wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
>
>
>>Ted Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>>>Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>-Ted
>>
>>Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
>>mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
>>type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
>>have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
>
>
> Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
> was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
> kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
>
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
>
>
>>Ted Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>>>Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>-Ted
>>
>>Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
>>mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
>>type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
>>have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
>
>
> Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
> was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
> kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
>
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W
12-08-2004, 10:03 AM
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Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time
Juhan Leemet wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
>
>
>>Ted Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>>>Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>-Ted
>>
>>Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
>>mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
>>type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
>>have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
>
>
> Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
> was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
> kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
>
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
>
>
>>Ted Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
>>>>automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
>>>>steering belt and also the AC belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
>>>Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>-Ted
>>
>>Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
>>mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
>>type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
>>have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
>
>
> Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
> was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
> kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
>
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W
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