Michael Burman

eko wrote:
> Yeah, will give it a try later. I don't think this is documented in the
> manual, is it? The new A3 does seem to have some nice bits and pieces on
> there. I was quite surprised to find the wipers go to intermittent when the
> car is stopped, then goes back to the previous full setting when you move
> away. Handy!

Yeah, this feature was nice in the BMWs. Took Audi 10 years to copy it
from 300-series BMW. But it's a nice feature, but not really inventing
. Anyway agreed, the new A3 has lots of these 'this is quality car'
improvements, compared to the older A3. Yet, if they only had thought
about tyrenoise, it's honestly awful. Our -95 BMW Compact is a lot
quieter than my new A3

- Yak

Graham

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"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> eko wrote:
> > Yeah, will give it a try later. I don't think this is documented in the
> > manual, is it? The new A3 does seem to have some nice bits and pieces
on
> > there. I was quite surprised to find the wipers go to intermittent when
the
> > car is stopped, then goes back to the previous full setting when you
move
> > away. Handy!
>
> Yeah, this feature was nice in the BMWs. Took Audi 10 years to copy it
> from 300-series BMW. But it's a nice feature, but not really inventing
> . Anyway agreed, the new A3 has lots of these 'this is quality car'
> improvements,

Actually this feature is on my existing A3 which is a 1997 model.

> compared to the older A3. Yet, if they only had thought
> about tyrenoise, it's honestly awful. Our -95 BMW Compact is a lot
> quieter than my new A3

Certainly the old A3 is not noisy on the tyres I use.

Toby Groves

In article <c0dd5j$24qmh$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi>, Michael Burman <yak@iki-
fi.invalid> writes
>Toby Groves wrote:
>> Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
>> the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
>> and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
>
>True, unless keeping in the biting point means that revs get too low and
>it starts shaking because of that. Someone said A3 had something to
>prevent this, I haven't noticed yet, but then again it doesn't shake for me.

I tried the described procedure today in mine, and the revs didn't rise
at all as I released the clutch slowly. Then again, mine's a diesel,
and had enough torque even at idle to pull away slowly, so maybe the
anti-stall is only needed on petrol models?
--
Toby

Toby Groves

In article <c0ddd3$24qmh$2@midnight.cs.hut.fi>, Michael Burman <yak@iki-
fi.invalid> writes
>eko wrote:
>> Yeah, will give it a try later. I don't think this is documented in the
>> manual, is it? The new A3 does seem to have some nice bits and pieces on
>> there. I was quite surprised to find the wipers go to intermittent when the
>> car is stopped, then goes back to the previous full setting when you move
>> away. Handy!
>
>Yeah, this feature was nice in the BMWs. Took Audi 10 years to copy it
>from 300-series BMW. But it's a nice feature, but not really inventing
>. Anyway agreed, the new A3 has lots of these 'this is quality car'
>improvements, compared to the older A3. Yet, if they only had thought
>about tyrenoise, it's honestly awful. Our -95 BMW Compact is a lot
>quieter than my new A3

I notice they've also finally copied the BMW wiper system whereby they
switch from normal speed to intermittent when you stop. I always liked
that.

I also notice that this system works at the intermittent settings, so
whichever of the four intermittent speeds you have selected, when you
stop it slows the wipers down a bit. Don't know if current BMWs do
that.
--
Toby

Michael Burman

Graham wrote:
> Certainly the old A3 is not noisy on the tyres I use.

Well, old A3 is noisier than new one, so I guess we're talking about
different noise levels then. And check it with Finnish roads, we have
rougher roads here, because we use those little spikes on winter. And
it's noisy at that

- Yak

eko

"Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
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> >So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
> >save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
>
> Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
> the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
> and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.

Some of you might remember this post from a little while back, about my
experiences with a new A3 1.6 FSI and a juddering clutch at the biting point
when the engine was heated up a little. When the car was at "normal"
running temperature, engaging first from a stand point a bring the clutch to
this biting point would cause the clutch itself to judder, though the gears
worked as expected and no other problems were apparent.

As it turns out, this "juddering clutch" only happens when I have the
climate control system on Auto mode. If I turn it down manually, or use the
Econ mode, the juddering is not there. This is repeatable.. switching it
back to Auto during operational would produce the juddering again.

The Audi guys say this is "normal". Any of you guys have witnessed this
happening?

Thanks.

...Ray

Michael Burman

eko wrote:
> The Audi guys say this is "normal". Any of you guys have witnessed this
> happening?

I can't repeat that, I have no problem with Auto mode and clutch at all,
although the clutch isn't the best I've driven. Still, I don't think
that's normal, econ mode only affects somewhat to the power of the car
(mm, some say that's noticeable in diesel cars.. but never heard of such
with petrol cars).

- Yak

eko

"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> > The Audi guys say this is "normal". Any of you guys have witnessed this
> > happening?
>
> I can't repeat that, I have no problem with Auto mode and clutch at all,
> although the clutch isn't the best I've driven. Still, I don't think
> that's normal, econ mode only affects somewhat to the power of the car
> (mm, some say that's noticeable in diesel cars.. but never heard of such
> with petrol cars).

Thanks Yak. Hmm.. now I'm annoyed, as they said it happened on pretty much
all of them (me is the fool who beloeved them too). Will get back to them
and ask for a demonstration of this "feature".

One thing.. you have a 2.0 FSI, right? Mine's the 1.6 FSI.. I wonder if
there might be enough difference in "power-output" which might cause this
issue? (just guessing here though)

Thanks.

...Ray

Michael Burman

eko wrote:
> Thanks Yak. Hmm.. now I'm annoyed, as they said it happened on pretty much
> all of them (me is the fool who beloeved them too). Will get back to them
> and ask for a demonstration of this "feature".

Do that, and maybe try some demo-car at other dealer too, and see if
that has the same problem, at least you have more cases to prove.

> One thing.. you have a 2.0 FSI, right? Mine's the 1.6 FSI.. I wonder if
> there might be enough difference in "power-output" which might cause this
> issue? (just guessing here though)

Yeah, I've got one. I don't believe the difference in power means that
much in this case, when you don't push either engine to the maximum. And
especially, since the new A3 has the feature that you can just raise the
clutch and it'll automatically accelerate. I don't see any juggering in
this case either, and I use that feature a lot, feels quite smooth.

- Yak

Graham

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"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> > One thing.. you have a 2.0 FSI, right? Mine's the 1.6 FSI.. I wonder if
> > there might be enough difference in "power-output" which might cause
this
> > issue? (just guessing here though)
>
> Yeah, I've got one. I don't believe the difference in power means that
> much in this case, when you don't push either engine to the maximum. And
> especially, since the new A3 has the feature that you can just raise the
> clutch and it'll automatically accelerate.

The original A3 also has this feature btw.

In fact, with the air-con on, you do need more power when moving off or you
can stall it easier. The climate control definitely saps power from the
original A3 (non turbo) 1.8 while its on.