New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
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New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
Hi,
I've had my new Audi A3 1.6 FSI for about four weeks now. Right from the
start, the clutch pedal would vibrate pretty heavily when trying to get the
"bite" on it. This would only generally happen when the car has got a
little bit warmer, nearer the 90 degree point on the temp gauge.
Basically, then the car is cold, bringing the clutch up to the "bite" (am I
using the right phrase here?) would be normal, with no major vibrations of
any sort. The more the journey lasted, the more the clutch would vibrate in
this "bite" position, to the point where the engine was physically making
this knocking noise in tandem with the vibrations from the clutch.
The weird thing is that it's intermittent. It would happen for a few
seconds then stop and normal "service" would resume. Then a few seconds
later, it would come back again. This is most notable when I'm in traffic,
where there's a lot of stopping and moving.
The car seems to drive fine otherwise, with no issues on gear changing and
no weird noises coming from the engine.
As you can tell, I'm no expert when it comes to cars, so any help or insight
on this would be greatly appreciated.
TIA!
...Ray
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I've had my new Audi A3 1.6 FSI for about four weeks now. Right from the
start, the clutch pedal would vibrate pretty heavily when trying to get the
"bite" on it. This would only generally happen when the car has got a
little bit warmer, nearer the 90 degree point on the temp gauge.
Basically, then the car is cold, bringing the clutch up to the "bite" (am I
using the right phrase here?) would be normal, with no major vibrations of
any sort. The more the journey lasted, the more the clutch would vibrate in
this "bite" position, to the point where the engine was physically making
this knocking noise in tandem with the vibrations from the clutch.
The weird thing is that it's intermittent. It would happen for a few
seconds then stop and normal "service" would resume. Then a few seconds
later, it would come back again. This is most notable when I'm in traffic,
where there's a lot of stopping and moving.
The car seems to drive fine otherwise, with no issues on gear changing and
no weird noises coming from the engine.
As you can tell, I'm no expert when it comes to cars, so any help or insight
on this would be greatly appreciated.
TIA!
...Ray
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Ray,
Sounds to me like a warped pressure plate or malfunctioning/damaged clutch.
It might also be an oil leak onto the clutch plate - and the oil is burning
off after the clutch slips for a while.
It's still covered by warranty - what does the dealer say...."they're all
like that"?
BTW, I think by "bite" you are referring to "point of engagement"
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"eko" <eko@nospam_k-chan.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I've had my new Audi A3 1.6 FSI for about four weeks now. Right from the
> start, the clutch pedal would vibrate pretty heavily when trying to get
the
> "bite" on it. This would only generally happen when the car has got a
> little bit warmer, nearer the 90 degree point on the temp gauge.
>
> Basically, then the car is cold, bringing the clutch up to the "bite" (am
I
> using the right phrase here?) would be normal, with no major vibrations of
> any sort. The more the journey lasted, the more the clutch would vibrate
in
> this "bite" position, to the point where the engine was physically making
> this knocking noise in tandem with the vibrations from the clutch.
>
> The weird thing is that it's intermittent. It would happen for a few
> seconds then stop and normal "service" would resume. Then a few seconds
> later, it would come back again. This is most notable when I'm in
traffic,
> where there's a lot of stopping and moving.
>
> The car seems to drive fine otherwise, with no issues on gear changing and
> no weird noises coming from the engine.
>
> As you can tell, I'm no expert when it comes to cars, so any help or
insight
> on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA!
>
> ..Ray
> ekoSheren inc. awaits..
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>
>
>
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Sounds to me like a warped pressure plate or malfunctioning/damaged clutch.
It might also be an oil leak onto the clutch plate - and the oil is burning
off after the clutch slips for a while.
It's still covered by warranty - what does the dealer say...."they're all
like that"?
BTW, I think by "bite" you are referring to "point of engagement"
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"eko" <eko@nospam_k-chan.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I've had my new Audi A3 1.6 FSI for about four weeks now. Right from the
> start, the clutch pedal would vibrate pretty heavily when trying to get
the
> "bite" on it. This would only generally happen when the car has got a
> little bit warmer, nearer the 90 degree point on the temp gauge.
>
> Basically, then the car is cold, bringing the clutch up to the "bite" (am
I
> using the right phrase here?) would be normal, with no major vibrations of
> any sort. The more the journey lasted, the more the clutch would vibrate
in
> this "bite" position, to the point where the engine was physically making
> this knocking noise in tandem with the vibrations from the clutch.
>
> The weird thing is that it's intermittent. It would happen for a few
> seconds then stop and normal "service" would resume. Then a few seconds
> later, it would come back again. This is most notable when I'm in
traffic,
> where there's a lot of stopping and moving.
>
> The car seems to drive fine otherwise, with no issues on gear changing and
> no weird noises coming from the engine.
>
> As you can tell, I'm no expert when it comes to cars, so any help or
insight
> on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA!
>
> ..Ray
> ekoSheren inc. awaits..
> http://www.k-chan.net/TekBoy/
>
>
>
>
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"Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
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> Ray,
> Sounds to me like a warped pressure plate or malfunctioning/damaged
clutch.
> It might also be an oil leak onto the clutch plate - and the oil is
burning
> off after the clutch slips for a while.
> It's still covered by warranty - what does the dealer say...."they're all
> like that"?
> BTW, I think by "bite" you are referring to "point of engagement"
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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Thanks Steve, much appreciated. I have it booked in at the dealer for this
Monday, so I'll print out your reply and show it to them.. hope they can get
it sorted out. Just drove back from the city and each time I had to move
off from a stand still the thing would be juddering like crazy. I'll let
you know what the dealer says.
Yes, I think "point of engagement" would be what I was trying to say.
Thanks again.
...Ray
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> Ray,
> Sounds to me like a warped pressure plate or malfunctioning/damaged
clutch.
> It might also be an oil leak onto the clutch plate - and the oil is
burning
> off after the clutch slips for a while.
> It's still covered by warranty - what does the dealer say...."they're all
> like that"?
> BTW, I think by "bite" you are referring to "point of engagement"
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
Thanks Steve, much appreciated. I have it booked in at the dealer for this
Monday, so I'll print out your reply and show it to them.. hope they can get
it sorted out. Just drove back from the city and each time I had to move
off from a stand still the thing would be juddering like crazy. I'll let
you know what the dealer says.
Yes, I think "point of engagement" would be what I was trying to say.
Thanks again.
...Ray
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"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> eko wrote:
> > As you can tell, I'm no expert when it comes to cars, so any help or
insight
> > on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Warranty should cover that, it's not normal behaviour.
Thanks Yak. I do believe any repair should be covered by the warranty here.
Have an appointment with the dealer on Monday, so will see how it goes.
Thanks again.
...Ray
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> eko wrote:
> > As you can tell, I'm no expert when it comes to cars, so any help or
insight
> > on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Warranty should cover that, it's not normal behaviour.
Thanks Yak. I do believe any repair should be covered by the warranty here.
Have an appointment with the dealer on Monday, so will see how it goes.
Thanks again.
...Ray
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"Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
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> Ray,
> Sounds to me like a warped pressure plate or malfunctioning/damaged
clutch.
> It might also be an oil leak onto the clutch plate - and the oil is
burning
> off after the clutch slips for a while.
> It's still covered by warranty - what does the dealer say...."they're all
> like that"?
> BTW, I think by "bite" you are referring to "point of engagement"
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
Well, visited the dealer and had one of the guys take a quick look at it.
First he mentioned that I shouldn't have the clutch on the "point of
engagement" so much, as it'll wear down the clutch parts themselves. That's
true I guess, though I did point out that I only have the clutch in this
position when preparing to move off from a red light, for example, and for
no more than perhaps 10 seconds. Do you guys drive like this?
Maybe I'm just a terrible driver, but this is how I drove my Peugeot 206 for
5 years, and no broken clutch there.. or perhaps I was lucky?
Anyway, he continued to say that the clutch was absolutely fine and I had
nothing to worry about. So now I just leave her in neutral when at a stop,
then only engage first when it's time to move off. This way, I never even
get near the "point of engagement" as I'm applying power when moving anyway,
so I guess it "eliminates" the juddering issue..
But is this guy missing the point? Or am I mistaken?
...Ray
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> Ray,
> Sounds to me like a warped pressure plate or malfunctioning/damaged
clutch.
> It might also be an oil leak onto the clutch plate - and the oil is
burning
> off after the clutch slips for a while.
> It's still covered by warranty - what does the dealer say...."they're all
> like that"?
> BTW, I think by "bite" you are referring to "point of engagement"
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
Well, visited the dealer and had one of the guys take a quick look at it.
First he mentioned that I shouldn't have the clutch on the "point of
engagement" so much, as it'll wear down the clutch parts themselves. That's
true I guess, though I did point out that I only have the clutch in this
position when preparing to move off from a red light, for example, and for
no more than perhaps 10 seconds. Do you guys drive like this?
Maybe I'm just a terrible driver, but this is how I drove my Peugeot 206 for
5 years, and no broken clutch there.. or perhaps I was lucky?
Anyway, he continued to say that the clutch was absolutely fine and I had
nothing to worry about. So now I just leave her in neutral when at a stop,
then only engage first when it's time to move off. This way, I never even
get near the "point of engagement" as I'm applying power when moving anyway,
so I guess it "eliminates" the juddering issue..
But is this guy missing the point? Or am I mistaken?
...Ray
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"eko" <eko@nospam_k-chan.net> wrote:
> he mentioned that I shouldn't have the clutch on the "point of
> engagement" so much, as it'll wear down the clutch parts themselves.
> That's true I guess, though I did point out that I only have the
> clutch in this position when preparing to move off from a red light,
> for example, and for no more than perhaps 10 seconds. Do you guys
> drive like this?
No way! This will cause the clutch to overheat and wear out. The
clutch should only ever be fully engaged or fully disengaged other than
for the second, or so, that it takes to get the car from stationary, up
to a road speed that matches a low sutainable engine speed in your
lowest gear. Even on a hill start, it shouldn't be necessary to have
the clutch slipping for more than a second.
> But is this guy missing the point? Or am I mistaken?
In my view, you have been driving incorrectly. Have you ever been
taught how to drive properly with manual gearbox?
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"eko" <eko@nospam_k-chan.net> wrote:
> he mentioned that I shouldn't have the clutch on the "point of
> engagement" so much, as it'll wear down the clutch parts themselves.
> That's true I guess, though I did point out that I only have the
> clutch in this position when preparing to move off from a red light,
> for example, and for no more than perhaps 10 seconds. Do you guys
> drive like this?
No way! This will cause the clutch to overheat and wear out. The
clutch should only ever be fully engaged or fully disengaged other than
for the second, or so, that it takes to get the car from stationary, up
to a road speed that matches a low sutainable engine speed in your
lowest gear. Even on a hill start, it shouldn't be necessary to have
the clutch slipping for more than a second.
> But is this guy missing the point? Or am I mistaken?
In my view, you have been driving incorrectly. Have you ever been
taught how to drive properly with manual gearbox?
--
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"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> No way! This will cause the clutch to overheat and wear out. The
> clutch should only ever be fully engaged or fully disengaged other than
> for the second, or so, that it takes to get the car from stationary, up
> to a road speed that matches a low sutainable engine speed in your
> lowest gear. Even on a hill start, it shouldn't be necessary to have
> the clutch slipping for more than a second.
Thanks for the advice Peter, I guess I've been driving badly in this sense
then. Last couple of trips, I've done exactly what you said and only
everything seems to be fine.
This isn't a forum to ask about driving techniques (basics?), so I'll
apologise to all now for my next question. In a traffic jam, would you
normally hit neutral every time the car needs to stop? I used to hold the
clutch on the "point of engagement" with no power and holding the brake
waiting for the car in front to move.
> > But is this guy missing the point? Or am I mistaken?
>
> In my view, you have been driving incorrectly. Have you ever been
> taught how to drive properly with manual gearbox?
Yeah, my bad. It's embarrassing, but I'd rather be told now than have a
smoking clutch. I guess I got lucky with my previous car then.
Thanks!
...Ray
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>
> No way! This will cause the clutch to overheat and wear out. The
> clutch should only ever be fully engaged or fully disengaged other than
> for the second, or so, that it takes to get the car from stationary, up
> to a road speed that matches a low sutainable engine speed in your
> lowest gear. Even on a hill start, it shouldn't be necessary to have
> the clutch slipping for more than a second.
Thanks for the advice Peter, I guess I've been driving badly in this sense
then. Last couple of trips, I've done exactly what you said and only
everything seems to be fine.
This isn't a forum to ask about driving techniques (basics?), so I'll
apologise to all now for my next question. In a traffic jam, would you
normally hit neutral every time the car needs to stop? I used to hold the
clutch on the "point of engagement" with no power and holding the brake
waiting for the car in front to move.
> > But is this guy missing the point? Or am I mistaken?
>
> In my view, you have been driving incorrectly. Have you ever been
> taught how to drive properly with manual gearbox?
Yeah, my bad. It's embarrassing, but I'd rather be told now than have a
smoking clutch. I guess I got lucky with my previous car then.
Thanks!
...Ray
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"eko" <eko@nospam_k-chan.net> wrote in message news:40290faa_1@127.0.0.1...
> "Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> This isn't a forum to ask about driving techniques (basics?), so I'll
> apologise to all now for my next question. In a traffic jam, would you
> normally hit neutral every time the car needs to stop? I used to hold the
> clutch on the "point of engagement" with no power and holding the brake
> waiting for the car in front to move.
Personally I prefer the term "biting point" to describe the moment when the
clutch kicks in.
In my A3, you wouldn't be able to hold it at the biting point without power.
If you do, it will engage the anti-stall mechanism and apply a small amount
of power to prevent a stall.
When I was taught how to drive, I was taught that when you arrive at a red
light, you selected first gear and waited. While I dont do that now, I
usually arrive at a red light and select neutral and engage the handbrake if
necessary. However, if the lights are about to change I'll keep it in
first.
HTH
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> "Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> This isn't a forum to ask about driving techniques (basics?), so I'll
> apologise to all now for my next question. In a traffic jam, would you
> normally hit neutral every time the car needs to stop? I used to hold the
> clutch on the "point of engagement" with no power and holding the brake
> waiting for the car in front to move.
Personally I prefer the term "biting point" to describe the moment when the
clutch kicks in.
In my A3, you wouldn't be able to hold it at the biting point without power.
If you do, it will engage the anti-stall mechanism and apply a small amount
of power to prevent a stall.
When I was taught how to drive, I was taught that when you arrive at a red
light, you selected first gear and waited. While I dont do that now, I
usually arrive at a red light and select neutral and engage the handbrake if
necessary. However, if the lights are about to change I'll keep it in
first.
HTH
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"Graham" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Personally I prefer the term "biting point" to describe the moment when
the
> clutch kicks in.
Thanks Graham. I called it the "bite" myself on my first post.. I guess
there's no "offiicial" phrase for this, so this will do all the same.
> In my A3, you wouldn't be able to hold it at the biting point without
power.
> If you do, it will engage the anti-stall mechanism and apply a small
amount
> of power to prevent a stall.
Actually, I wasn't aware of such a mechanism on my A3, though I have yet to
stall it since getting it, even with my "unorthodox clutching" technique.
> When I was taught how to drive, I was taught that when you arrive at a red
> light, you selected first gear and waited. While I dont do that now, I
> usually arrive at a red light and select neutral and engage the handbrake
if
> necessary. However, if the lights are about to change I'll keep it in
> first.
Yeah, my original instructor said the same thing. When the lights were red,
engage first and wait. He told me to have the "bite" on the clutch in first
gear, ready when it was time to go, and then apply power while lifting the
clutch up slowly. I guess I was still following this now.. having the bite
on while holding the brake, and when the lights go green, brake comes up,
power goes down as clutch comes up. As Peter suggested in his post, this is
probably poor driving skill and will likely get my clutch damaged.
When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
Thanks.
...Ray
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> Personally I prefer the term "biting point" to describe the moment when
the
> clutch kicks in.
Thanks Graham. I called it the "bite" myself on my first post.. I guess
there's no "offiicial" phrase for this, so this will do all the same.
> In my A3, you wouldn't be able to hold it at the biting point without
power.
> If you do, it will engage the anti-stall mechanism and apply a small
amount
> of power to prevent a stall.
Actually, I wasn't aware of such a mechanism on my A3, though I have yet to
stall it since getting it, even with my "unorthodox clutching" technique.
> When I was taught how to drive, I was taught that when you arrive at a red
> light, you selected first gear and waited. While I dont do that now, I
> usually arrive at a red light and select neutral and engage the handbrake
if
> necessary. However, if the lights are about to change I'll keep it in
> first.
Yeah, my original instructor said the same thing. When the lights were red,
engage first and wait. He told me to have the "bite" on the clutch in first
gear, ready when it was time to go, and then apply power while lifting the
clutch up slowly. I guess I was still following this now.. having the bite
on while holding the brake, and when the lights go green, brake comes up,
power goes down as clutch comes up. As Peter suggested in his post, this is
probably poor driving skill and will likely get my clutch damaged.
When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
Thanks.
...Ray
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