First drive in snow probs: Tires, I hope...ABS brakes frightening
12-12-2003, 05:45 PM
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Re: First drive in snow probs: Tires, I hope...ABS brakes frightening
"R@L" <reply@usent.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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> > In message <xCiCb.358$u52.87661@zonnet-reader-1>
> > "R@L" <reply@usent.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
> > > news:5ChCb.1628$FN.418@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > > Modern systems are much better, and EBD gets around the reaction of
> > > > a driver unfamiliar with the system (although, on my TT, it did
> > > > appear to generate a little lateral instability when I tested it)
> > >
> > >
> > > EBD is only front/rear brake force distribution like the old thing on
> the
> > > rear axle but now electronic. It does nothing more.
> >
> > Is Hairy thinking of the system (pioneered by MB?) and called something
> > like Electronic (or Emergency?) Brake Assist, which attempts to
> > determine the level of panic when pressing the brake pedal and, above a
> > certain level, automatically applies maximum braking effort?
> That's called Brake Assistant in Audi cars.
I guess that this might be called different things in different countries.
In the UK, it's "EBD" (Peter knew what I was talking about ;o)
Anyroad - have a good weekend!
H1K
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> "Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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> > In message <xCiCb.358$u52.87661@zonnet-reader-1>
> > "R@L" <reply@usent.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
> > > news:5ChCb.1628$FN.418@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > > Modern systems are much better, and EBD gets around the reaction of
> > > > a driver unfamiliar with the system (although, on my TT, it did
> > > > appear to generate a little lateral instability when I tested it)
> > >
> > >
> > > EBD is only front/rear brake force distribution like the old thing on
> the
> > > rear axle but now electronic. It does nothing more.
> >
> > Is Hairy thinking of the system (pioneered by MB?) and called something
> > like Electronic (or Emergency?) Brake Assist, which attempts to
> > determine the level of panic when pressing the brake pedal and, above a
> > certain level, automatically applies maximum braking effort?
> That's called Brake Assistant in Audi cars.
I guess that this might be called different things in different countries.
In the UK, it's "EBD" (Peter knew what I was talking about ;o)
Anyroad - have a good weekend!
H1K
12-12-2003, 05:52 PM
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Re: First drive in snow probs: Tires, I hope...ABS brakes frightening
"Interious" <ddhartwick@DELETESPAMBLOCKearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >I believe it was the Ohio State Police that had several accidents when
they
> >first equipped themselves with abs Chevys, maybe even a fatality. They
> >contacted GM and claimed their brakes weren't working properly. Again,
it was
> >lack of training, lack of "what to expect", when applying abs in an
emergency.
>
> Exactly--fatal accidents due to ABS. It is not unreasonable to assume
> that psychological factors--lack of knowledge, startle factor, lack of
> intuitively correct feel, etc., probably greatly overwhelms ABS
> advantages that are only theoretical unless in the hands of guys like
> you.
>
> Aditionally, How often do people brake AND steer around the car their
> about to crash into? Some do, I do, many don't.
>
> I do know how to threshold brake, fwiw, but you guys are obviously
> more skilled and knowledgeable than I.
>
> Finally--I must stress that I hope you're right, that ABS is superior.
> I don't want to own a car that has permanently crippled brakes.
In all honesty, I find it somewhat sad that technology has taken-over from
training.
Not (unfortunately) that I'm complaining.
With EBD, a number of car manufacturers have realised that it's a tiny
minority that understand ABS "might" be have advantages. Most, I submit,
simply consider it "a better mousetrap".
Whilst it's a better talking-point for us car nuts, I think most of use
would agree that the sort of "arrghh! What's happening, better stamp on the
brakes!" tailgater is better off with ABS. From a purely selfish point of
view ;o)
Heck, let's - the rest of us - keep talking. F'instance - how do people find
EBC Greenstuff pads, and how do they work with standard vs. aftermarket
discs? (There's a reason for asking.. ;o)
H1K
news:su7ktvkr879n2ui7ig0fuf3gvc6r7kuer1@4ax.com...
> >I believe it was the Ohio State Police that had several accidents when
they
> >first equipped themselves with abs Chevys, maybe even a fatality. They
> >contacted GM and claimed their brakes weren't working properly. Again,
it was
> >lack of training, lack of "what to expect", when applying abs in an
emergency.
>
> Exactly--fatal accidents due to ABS. It is not unreasonable to assume
> that psychological factors--lack of knowledge, startle factor, lack of
> intuitively correct feel, etc., probably greatly overwhelms ABS
> advantages that are only theoretical unless in the hands of guys like
> you.
>
> Aditionally, How often do people brake AND steer around the car their
> about to crash into? Some do, I do, many don't.
>
> I do know how to threshold brake, fwiw, but you guys are obviously
> more skilled and knowledgeable than I.
>
> Finally--I must stress that I hope you're right, that ABS is superior.
> I don't want to own a car that has permanently crippled brakes.
In all honesty, I find it somewhat sad that technology has taken-over from
training.
Not (unfortunately) that I'm complaining.
With EBD, a number of car manufacturers have realised that it's a tiny
minority that understand ABS "might" be have advantages. Most, I submit,
simply consider it "a better mousetrap".
Whilst it's a better talking-point for us car nuts, I think most of use
would agree that the sort of "arrghh! What's happening, better stamp on the
brakes!" tailgater is better off with ABS. From a purely selfish point of
view ;o)
Heck, let's - the rest of us - keep talking. F'instance - how do people find
EBC Greenstuff pads, and how do they work with standard vs. aftermarket
discs? (There's a reason for asking.. ;o)
H1K
12-12-2003, 06:46 PM
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Re: First drive in snow probs: Tires, I hope...ABS brakes frightening
"Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> "R@L" <reply@usent.com> wrote in message
> news:OHnCb.243$Nq1.9735@zonnet-reader-1...
> >
> > "Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
> > news:112aaa5f4c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com...
> > > In message <xCiCb.358$u52.87661@zonnet-reader-1>
> > > "R@L" <reply@usent.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
> > > > news:5ChCb.1628$FN.418@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > > > Modern systems are much better, and EBD gets around the reaction
of
> > > > > a driver unfamiliar with the system (although, on my TT, it did
> > > > > appear to generate a little lateral instability when I tested it)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > EBD is only front/rear brake force distribution like the old thing
on
> > the
> > > > rear axle but now electronic. It does nothing more.
> > >
> > > Is Hairy thinking of the system (pioneered by MB?) and called
something
> > > like Electronic (or Emergency?) Brake Assist, which attempts to
> > > determine the level of panic when pressing the brake pedal and, above
a
> > > certain level, automatically applies maximum braking effort?
>
> > That's called Brake Assistant in Audi cars.
>
> I guess that this might be called different things in different countries.
> In the UK, it's "EBD" (Peter knew what I was talking about ;o)
>
> Anyroad - have a good weekend!
>
> H1K
Have a look here, Hairy.
Ronald
>
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