Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"eBob.com" <eBob.com@totallybogus.com> wrote in message news:<yAenc.173370$Gd3.47702269@news4.srv.hcvlny.c v.net>...
>
> I had a '95 A6(2.Q wagon
> The timing belts have been somewhat expensive as I recall, but every
> car needs that at rougly 60K.
Not if they don't *have* them. Most BMWs don't.
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(Been there; drove that)
>
> I had a '95 A6(2.Q wagon
> The timing belts have been somewhat expensive as I recall, but every
> car needs that at rougly 60K.
Not if they don't *have* them. Most BMWs don't.
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(Been there; drove that)
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<hqqdnWXR6d2suT3dRVn-gg@adelphia.com>...
>
> I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile wheels
> and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires. My
> second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD car
> and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow
> tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware?
"crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the
difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing
throttle oversteer ...
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(Been there; done that in the Kink)
>
> I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile wheels
> and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires. My
> second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD car
> and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow
> tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware?
"crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the
difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing
throttle oversteer ...
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C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that in the Kink)
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<c7pvdf$itm$1@news.ya.com>...
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> Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I go
> skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their chains.
> I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in
> really bad weather.
While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
there ...
> > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and are
> > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive.
>
> But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy
> spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding roads
> that are good fun.
And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.
> At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on tyres
> for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear.
Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
ran. ;^)
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
>
> Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I go
> skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their chains.
> I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in
> really bad weather.
While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
there ...
> > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and are
> > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive.
>
> But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy
> spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding roads
> that are good fun.
And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.
> At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on tyres
> for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear.
Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
ran. ;^)
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:<40a0c5f7$0$20509$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...
> Boys, boys, this has turned into a pissing competition...
OK; but who won? ;^)
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> Boys, boys, this has turned into a pissing competition...
OK; but who won? ;^)
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(Been there; done that)
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I
go
> > skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their
chains.
> > I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in
> > really bad weather.
>
> While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
> there ...
If it's really slippery, and given the same driver and tyres and similar
engines, Quattro still beats your Xi.
> > > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and
are
> > > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive.
> >
> > But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy
> > spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding
roads
> > that are good fun.
>
> And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
> events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
> does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
> of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.
>
And some other ones of us know that if you go drifting on an M3, which is my
point, and what really good drivers and real BMWs are best at, my argument
still holds perfectly true.
> > At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on
tyres
> > for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear.
>
> Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
> Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
> of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
> AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
> old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
> found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
> the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
> ran. ;^)
Quite possibly true, but Audis may still probably be the safest of all of
those.
> C.R. Krieger
> (Been there; done that)
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(still crossposting)
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> wrote in message
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> "Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >> The rearwheel drive is fun and with all the electronic gimmicks it
> >> will really do it's job. However at a certain climb angle or even
> >> slipperyness of the road, the rearwheel drive gives in, then the FWD
> >> and then the quattro.
> >>
> >
> >Sorry, no. This is contrary to the laws of physics. If you assume equal
> >axle weights, as the car climbs it places more weight over the rear axle
and
> >less over the front. So a rear wheel drive car would have an advantage
over
> >a FWD in climbing. Obviously, an AWD car with the same weight and tires
> >would be better than either.
>
> You almost got me there
>
> This is going to be a bit longer:
>
> There's sort of a thinking error in your statement. It took me a while
> to do the math (i.e. mechanics) but the outcome is, that the ratio
> front/rear with regard to the friction force does _not_ change.
<snipped a whole bunch of stuff>
No, the weight distribution (front/rear) will most certainly change as a)
the car is tilted on the longitudinal axis and b) when accelerating.
-Fred W
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(still crossposting)
"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
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> Geez, how did people get around before Quattros and Xi-s?
Ummm, slowly?
Seriously. Any FWD, RWD or AWD (*including* Quattro) can be made to go
quite nicely in snow when the right tires are put on them. The rest is just
varying dgrees of confidence at incremental speeds.
Some prefer the front weight biased FWD which is sort of a point and shoot
dart approach.
Others (myself included) prefer the rear driven, power-sliding cart before
the horse.
And yet a third category wouldn't be caught dead without their full time AWD
pulling from both ends.
It's all preference and none are completely superior. As in all things in
life, it is a matter of balancing trade-offs.
-Fred W
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile
wheels
> > and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires.
My
> > second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD
car
> > and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow
> > tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware?
>
> "crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the
> difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing
> throttle oversteer ...
Hmmm, trailing throttle oversteer... just another tool in the driver's
toolbox, no? What better way to get that back end around the corner in a
hurry?
-Fred W
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Of the lot, I
> found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
> the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
> ran. ;^)
Oh, oh. That sure looks like flame bait posted to an audi newsgroup to
me...
-Fred W
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Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(still crossposting)
On Wed, 12 May 2004 12:59:33 -0400, Fred W. <Fred.Wills@allspam> wrote:
>
>
> Some prefer the front weight biased FWD which is sort of a point and shoot
> dart approach.
> Others (myself included) prefer the rear driven, power-sliding cart before
> the horse.
> And yet a third category wouldn't be caught dead without their full time AWD
> pulling from both ends.
Then there are the fourth category, who buy all-season tires which
suck equally in all conditions, and probably don't know _which_ of
their wheels are responsible for moving the car around. With the wrong
tires, where the drive wheels are doesn't matter.
> It's all preference and none are completely superior. As in all things in
> life, it is a matter of balancing trade-offs.
Yup. By the way, do I know you from another place, Fred?
Dave Hinz
>
>
> Some prefer the front weight biased FWD which is sort of a point and shoot
> dart approach.
> Others (myself included) prefer the rear driven, power-sliding cart before
> the horse.
> And yet a third category wouldn't be caught dead without their full time AWD
> pulling from both ends.
Then there are the fourth category, who buy all-season tires which
suck equally in all conditions, and probably don't know _which_ of
their wheels are responsible for moving the car around. With the wrong
tires, where the drive wheels are doesn't matter.
> It's all preference and none are completely superior. As in all things in
> life, it is a matter of balancing trade-offs.
Yup. By the way, do I know you from another place, Fred?
Dave Hinz