Chips
#41
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Re: Chips
"Miguel De Anda" <miguel@thedeanda.com> wrote in message
news:46d65414$0$16353$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Steve Daniels wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I took a cruise around the interweb looking a chips. I've found
>> them from $500 ~ $650. They claim to give more low end torque,
>> snapper high end performance, a cure for acne, and will make you
>> more attractive to women.
>>
>> I'd like to know the downside. I mean, if a simple bit of code
>> can make autolife so much better, why doesn't Audi put it in at
>> the factory?
>
>
> I've got an APR on a 03' 225 TT. The gain isn't very noticeable to me. I
> think its partially because its a quatro and I can't make the wheels
> burnout from a rolling first gear... like on my '01 1.8T Jetta. I've also
> added an APR intercooler and for a month had the 3" APR full exhaust,
> those
> did add a lot more juice but the intercooler and exhaust are pretty
> pricey.
>
> BTW, if anybody is interested, my exhaust is now for sale. I've got
> pictures
> and info at http://linxp.homelinux.org/forsale/aprexhaust/
>
> However, if you want a really fast car, I understand you won't be able to
> get to far unless you use a 3" exhaust. I was hoping to get a larger turbo
> but the larger exhaust was too much noise for me so I guess I'm kind of at
> the limit of what I can do.
My buddy who designs some turbo systems creates collectors right behind the
turbo and places the high flow cats further down the exhaust. I have to
drive one of his monsters one day! lol
He wants me to modify my newly acquired '97 Audi 1.8tq auto. <g>
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
#42
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Re: Chips
On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
#43
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Re: Chips
On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
#44
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Re: Chips
On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
#45
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Re: Chips
On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
>
> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>
> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
> performance costa a lot more money.
>
> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>
> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
> top gear.
>
> YMMV
>
> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>
> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>
> With a turbo engine, go for it.
Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
timer that resets it after 30 days.
What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
very happy with 200 hp...
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
#46
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Posts: n/a
Re: Chips
Most of the chip people, GIAC, APR, and I think Revo might, offer a 30 day
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
#47
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chips
Most of the chip people, GIAC, APR, and I think Revo might, offer a 30 day
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chips
Most of the chip people, GIAC, APR, and I think Revo might, offer a 30 day
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chips
Most of the chip people, GIAC, APR, and I think Revo might, offer a 30 day
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
money back deal. APR also has a short demo you can do, but that's silly
when you can get a 30 day demo
APR is just a flash, you can switch between stock and other fuel maps
(93,100,etc) with the cruise control stick.
GIAC is also a flash, but you switch programs with a flashloader.
Both of those you have to pay extra to support stock and a sporty mode. I
have APR 93 octane, stock, and security lockout on my 06 A4 2.0T Quattro.
GIAC doesn't need a securtiy lockout because you can't switch programs w/o
a hardware device they call the flashloader (again, costs more $$).
I don't know too much about Revo, so I'll just not say anything about them.
I loved my A4, and when I chipped it, I fell in love with it all over
again. It is a whole new car. The APR has a nice smooth power increase
across the board.
-Russell
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:38:31 -0400, Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chips
Dano58 wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>>
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
>
Mine is the lighter blue (I think it is called denim). It also has the
sport suspension and '17 wheels that seem to go with that.
I think you have the option of sending in your ECU for a different chip
or having it flashed as a local APR dealer. I chose to have mine flashed.
The timed demo is real. In fact I have heard that the demo is effective
for only 24 hours or so.
With APR you will have the option of two programs. I chose 91 and 93
octane. I could have chosed one of these and the stock one. I think they
have a 95 octane program for track use but that is probably not useful
unless other mods ar done in addition to the software.
The programs can be selected by a combination of switching the key and
holding buttons ( I have it written down in the car).
I like APR but you may want so consider others that may have dealers
more local to your location.