Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
03-06-2004, 03:16 PM
#151
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:06:45 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >> street cars are either RWD or AWD?"
> >
> >and that's twice what you have. day we know you have a room temperature
IQ.
>
> lmao
> So I guess your answer is "Ooops"?
>
> You are such a precious nitwit to have around. No matter that everyone
here thinks you're a total luser, you keep coming back to get kicked around
some more...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
and that would be better then yours of I can't erase my pen markings will
this pose a problem?? by who an old inept man like you that's just says
drivel all the time...ok. If you less than 60 and could see the screen with
out a magnifying glass, I would be concerned but I'm not.
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> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:06:45 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >> street cars are either RWD or AWD?"
> >
> >and that's twice what you have. day we know you have a room temperature
IQ.
>
> lmao
> So I guess your answer is "Ooops"?
>
> You are such a precious nitwit to have around. No matter that everyone
here thinks you're a total luser, you keep coming back to get kicked around
some more...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
and that would be better then yours of I can't erase my pen markings will
this pose a problem?? by who an old inept man like you that's just says
drivel all the time...ok. If you less than 60 and could see the screen with
out a magnifying glass, I would be concerned but I'm not.
03-06-2004, 03:18 PM
#152
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee wrote:
> > no not at all, Ferrari, Viper, Corvette, NSX, E55, & M3 are all RWD so
what
> > high performance cars are moving to AWD?? and you're a bigger dummy
than
> > "day" if you think any AWD car can perform like a RWD. I now know what
> > Steve got on his test in school.....saliva.
>
> (apparently someone still posted to this old thread). Lamborghini is
> with AWD.
>
> - Yak
Only one version of one model not both. There Hi-po model is what, RWD??
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> Tha Ghee wrote:
> > no not at all, Ferrari, Viper, Corvette, NSX, E55, & M3 are all RWD so
what
> > high performance cars are moving to AWD?? and you're a bigger dummy
than
> > "day" if you think any AWD car can perform like a RWD. I now know what
> > Steve got on his test in school.....saliva.
>
> (apparently someone still posted to this old thread). Lamborghini is
> with AWD.
>
> - Yak
Only one version of one model not both. There Hi-po model is what, RWD??
03-06-2004, 03:32 PM
#154
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >so what
> >high performance cars are moving to AWD??
>
> All of Audi's S and RS cars have always been AWD, the 911 Turbo moved to
AWD
> when the 993 generation came out (even though all of Porsche's Turbos had
been
> RWD previously, since the original 930), the C4S is obviously AWD as well.
The
> Subaru WRX and WRX STi and Mitusbishi's Lancer Evolution are AWD, as was
> Mitsubishi's top of the line 3000GT and the former Eclipse GSX. Ford's had
a
> hi-po Focus driving all four wheels, and then there's VW's R32. The
Corvette
> and Viper are RWD for the same reason the Mustang is, they're trying to
hold
> onto the muscle car era. Ferrari chooses RWD as does Acura for the NSX,
but
> that's because those cars got their inspiration from the F1 efforts of
their
> respective manufacturers. That's the same reason Porsche choose RWD for
the
> GT2, GT3 and Carrera GT street cars, they're derived from racing cars that
> operate in classes where AWD isn't used. The E55 and M3 are kind of odd
men out
> here, but it's obvious that both companies have recognised the benefits of
AWD,
> or the 4Matic and Xi models from those companies never would have come to
be.
>
> >and you're a bigger dummy than
> >"day" if you think any AWD car can perform like a RWD
>
> Obviously not. The S4 was given higher marks for competence than the M3 in
Car
> and Driver's comparo, same with the RS6 Vs. M5 and E55. If you prefer RWD
> that's fine, but denying that AWD has benefits over RWD is just as
ignorant as
> denying that FWD has advantages over RWD.
your statement was that "ALL" hi-po cars are AWD and I was showing you that
they're not, AWD cars are heavier and at the limits do not handle as well
and are slower i.e., Skyline GTR. It has nothing to do with manuf. holding
on to the past just that for true high performance the wheel in the back are
the only ones that should provide motivation. Think for a second of the
fastest cars in production how many are AWD, none. the 4mantic and xi are
not on there top of the line model and for all but the Chevy Silverado SS,
all the hi-po models are RWD. Audi doesn't make a RWD car so the only
natural step was from them to offer a AWD performace car. The only reason
the S4 won was becasuse the results were repeatable but a normal Joe not a
race car driver, that's one of many benefits of AWD. If all top racing cars
are RWD that must tell you something.
I never said that AWD doesn't have benefits over RWD I was just pointing out
that all GREAT SPORTS CARS ARE RWD nothing else. what benefit does FWD have
over RWD if you know how to drive it doesn't matter what whiles are
motivating.
news:20040228185202.29635.00000492@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >so what
> >high performance cars are moving to AWD??
>
> All of Audi's S and RS cars have always been AWD, the 911 Turbo moved to
AWD
> when the 993 generation came out (even though all of Porsche's Turbos had
been
> RWD previously, since the original 930), the C4S is obviously AWD as well.
The
> Subaru WRX and WRX STi and Mitusbishi's Lancer Evolution are AWD, as was
> Mitsubishi's top of the line 3000GT and the former Eclipse GSX. Ford's had
a
> hi-po Focus driving all four wheels, and then there's VW's R32. The
Corvette
> and Viper are RWD for the same reason the Mustang is, they're trying to
hold
> onto the muscle car era. Ferrari chooses RWD as does Acura for the NSX,
but
> that's because those cars got their inspiration from the F1 efforts of
their
> respective manufacturers. That's the same reason Porsche choose RWD for
the
> GT2, GT3 and Carrera GT street cars, they're derived from racing cars that
> operate in classes where AWD isn't used. The E55 and M3 are kind of odd
men out
> here, but it's obvious that both companies have recognised the benefits of
AWD,
> or the 4Matic and Xi models from those companies never would have come to
be.
>
> >and you're a bigger dummy than
> >"day" if you think any AWD car can perform like a RWD
>
> Obviously not. The S4 was given higher marks for competence than the M3 in
Car
> and Driver's comparo, same with the RS6 Vs. M5 and E55. If you prefer RWD
> that's fine, but denying that AWD has benefits over RWD is just as
ignorant as
> denying that FWD has advantages over RWD.
your statement was that "ALL" hi-po cars are AWD and I was showing you that
they're not, AWD cars are heavier and at the limits do not handle as well
and are slower i.e., Skyline GTR. It has nothing to do with manuf. holding
on to the past just that for true high performance the wheel in the back are
the only ones that should provide motivation. Think for a second of the
fastest cars in production how many are AWD, none. the 4mantic and xi are
not on there top of the line model and for all but the Chevy Silverado SS,
all the hi-po models are RWD. Audi doesn't make a RWD car so the only
natural step was from them to offer a AWD performace car. The only reason
the S4 won was becasuse the results were repeatable but a normal Joe not a
race car driver, that's one of many benefits of AWD. If all top racing cars
are RWD that must tell you something.
I never said that AWD doesn't have benefits over RWD I was just pointing out
that all GREAT SPORTS CARS ARE RWD nothing else. what benefit does FWD have
over RWD if you know how to drive it doesn't matter what whiles are
motivating.
03-06-2004, 07:06 PM
#155
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>your statement was that "ALL" hi-po cars are AWD
No it was certainly not, you can google up the posting and see for yourself.
Don't twist my words and take things I've said out of context simply to support
your end of the argument. My comment was something to the effect of "more and
more high performance cars show up with AWD every year". Go and pick up the
April 2004 issue of Automobile, I got it in the mail yesterday. There's a cover
article in this issue, and the cover ad says "All-wheel drive: why your next
sports sedan needs it". I think there's some damn fine support for my argument
here.
>AWD cars are heavier and at the limits do not handle as well
>and are slower
This is a blatant falsehodd, and I'm tempted to think that somewhere deep down,
you know better. While the weight penalty that AWD cars have to suffer oftens
slows them in 0-60 comparisons, they make up for it on the track and in general
high performance driving. How else do you explain the S4 and RS6 having
superior track dynamics to the M3, C36 AMG, Jag S Type R, M5, and E55? How do
you go about trying to explain the fact that Audi dominated Touring class
racing in the early and mid-1990s, prompting complaints that forced the
regulations board to ban AWD from Touring. How about the fact that Randy Probst
has won Speedvision's Touring car championship series at least twice in Quattro
equipped Audis? BTW, BMWs with their "superior" RWD were there competeing also,
sholdn't they have won?
>Skyline GTR.
You do realize the top of the line Skylines were AWD, right? I know the GT-R
VSpec was, I'm not sure about the normal GT-R. I believe Nissan had an AWD
version of the Primera also.
>Think for a second of the
>fastest cars in production how many are AWD, none.
Actually, with the capability to run 0-60 in 3.8 seconds the 911 Turbo is one
of the fastest *production* car on earth. And if you add the X50 performance
package, that time drops to around 3.6 seconds.
> the 4mantic and xi are
>not on there top of the line model
BMW offers AWD on the 330, the top-spec version of the 3-series (M-variants
excluded). And it's standard on the X5 4.4i. MB sells 4Matic on the C-class,
E-class, and S-class. Last I checked, the S-class was MB's top of the line
sedan. Audi only sells the A8 in Quattro trim, and it's optional on all their
other non-S models.
>Audi doesn't make a RWD car so the only
>natural step was from them to offer a AWD performace car
What's natural about it? Audi could have easily either developed their own RWD
car or setup a platform sharing deal with someone else. In fact, VW/Audi are in
talks right now with Maserati, and if the deal goes through, the VW/Audi group
will get use of the RWD Quattroporte platform. VW already has a concept, called
the C1, based on the Quattroporte.
>The only reason
>the S4 won was becasuse the results were repeatable but a normal Joe not a
>race car driver, that's one of many benefits of AWD. If all top racing cars
>are RWD that must tell you something.
More falsehoods. Again, Audi owned rally in the late 1980s. They went on to own
Touring for several years in the early and mid 1990s, and their presence has
only dimished because of the complaints of companies like BMW. Randy Probst has
beaten BMWs and various other RWD race cars at least 2 years now in AWD Audi
race cars. And I'm quite positive Porsche and Audi would adopt AWD to their
race efforts if regulations allowed it.
No it was certainly not, you can google up the posting and see for yourself.
Don't twist my words and take things I've said out of context simply to support
your end of the argument. My comment was something to the effect of "more and
more high performance cars show up with AWD every year". Go and pick up the
April 2004 issue of Automobile, I got it in the mail yesterday. There's a cover
article in this issue, and the cover ad says "All-wheel drive: why your next
sports sedan needs it". I think there's some damn fine support for my argument
here.
>AWD cars are heavier and at the limits do not handle as well
>and are slower
This is a blatant falsehodd, and I'm tempted to think that somewhere deep down,
you know better. While the weight penalty that AWD cars have to suffer oftens
slows them in 0-60 comparisons, they make up for it on the track and in general
high performance driving. How else do you explain the S4 and RS6 having
superior track dynamics to the M3, C36 AMG, Jag S Type R, M5, and E55? How do
you go about trying to explain the fact that Audi dominated Touring class
racing in the early and mid-1990s, prompting complaints that forced the
regulations board to ban AWD from Touring. How about the fact that Randy Probst
has won Speedvision's Touring car championship series at least twice in Quattro
equipped Audis? BTW, BMWs with their "superior" RWD were there competeing also,
sholdn't they have won?
>Skyline GTR.
You do realize the top of the line Skylines were AWD, right? I know the GT-R
VSpec was, I'm not sure about the normal GT-R. I believe Nissan had an AWD
version of the Primera also.
>Think for a second of the
>fastest cars in production how many are AWD, none.
Actually, with the capability to run 0-60 in 3.8 seconds the 911 Turbo is one
of the fastest *production* car on earth. And if you add the X50 performance
package, that time drops to around 3.6 seconds.
> the 4mantic and xi are
>not on there top of the line model
BMW offers AWD on the 330, the top-spec version of the 3-series (M-variants
excluded). And it's standard on the X5 4.4i. MB sells 4Matic on the C-class,
E-class, and S-class. Last I checked, the S-class was MB's top of the line
sedan. Audi only sells the A8 in Quattro trim, and it's optional on all their
other non-S models.
>Audi doesn't make a RWD car so the only
>natural step was from them to offer a AWD performace car
What's natural about it? Audi could have easily either developed their own RWD
car or setup a platform sharing deal with someone else. In fact, VW/Audi are in
talks right now with Maserati, and if the deal goes through, the VW/Audi group
will get use of the RWD Quattroporte platform. VW already has a concept, called
the C1, based on the Quattroporte.
>The only reason
>the S4 won was becasuse the results were repeatable but a normal Joe not a
>race car driver, that's one of many benefits of AWD. If all top racing cars
>are RWD that must tell you something.
More falsehoods. Again, Audi owned rally in the late 1980s. They went on to own
Touring for several years in the early and mid 1990s, and their presence has
only dimished because of the complaints of companies like BMW. Randy Probst has
beaten BMWs and various other RWD race cars at least 2 years now in AWD Audi
race cars. And I'm quite positive Porsche and Audi would adopt AWD to their
race efforts if regulations allowed it.
03-06-2004, 08:32 PM
#156
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
Tha Ghee wrote:
> Only one version of one model not both. There Hi-po model is what, RWD??
As far as I can tell, and what several fansites and official site tell,
all the models are AWD. Where did you come up with RWD ?
- Yak
> Only one version of one model not both. There Hi-po model is what, RWD??
As far as I can tell, and what several fansites and official site tell,
all the models are AWD. Where did you come up with RWD ?
- Yak
03-06-2004, 08:33 PM
#157
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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
Tha Ghee wrote:
> I never said that AWD doesn't have benefits over RWD I was just pointing out
> that all GREAT SPORTS CARS ARE RWD nothing else. what benefit does FWD have
> over RWD if you know how to drive it doesn't matter what whiles are
> motivating.
And no real rally car is RWD, so there must be something to it. Idiot.
- Yak
> I never said that AWD doesn't have benefits over RWD I was just pointing out
> that all GREAT SPORTS CARS ARE RWD nothing else. what benefit does FWD have
> over RWD if you know how to drive it doesn't matter what whiles are
> motivating.
And no real rally car is RWD, so there must be something to it. Idiot.
- Yak
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