Ovalking

The last couple of days I've noticed a hissing sound when I apply the
brakes, a bit like air rushing out of somewhere. Anybody know what causes
this? I couldn't find any references to hissing in searches.
Car is a UK 1988 Audi 100 2.0 Avant, I get the low brake pressure warning
lamp ocassionally but had put this down to a bad bomb (which I know needs
replacing). The brakes do work satisfactorily and the fluid levels are
all ok. There's no evidence of any brake fluid leaks from a quick visual
inspection.

Thanks, Gary

R@L

"Ovalking" <ovalking@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The last couple of days I've noticed a hissing sound when I apply the
> brakes, a bit like air rushing out of somewhere. Anybody know what causes
> this? I couldn't find any references to hissing in searches.
> Car is a UK 1988 Audi 100 2.0 Avant, I get the low brake pressure warning
> lamp ocassionally but had put this down to a bad bomb (which I know needs
> replacing). The brakes do work satisfactorily and the fluid levels are
> all ok. There's no evidence of any brake fluid leaks from a quick visual
> inspection.
>
> Thanks, Gary

Isn't the bomb hissing? It hisses after starting the engine for a second
which is normal.

Ronald

Chris Bartram

Ovalking wrote:
> The last couple of days I've noticed a hissing sound when I apply the
> brakes, a bit like air rushing out of somewhere. Anybody know what causes
> this? I couldn't find any references to hissing in searches.
> Car is a UK 1988 Audi 100 2.0 Avant, I get the low brake pressure warning
> lamp ocassionally but had put this down to a bad bomb (which I know needs
> replacing). The brakes do work satisfactorily and the fluid levels are
> all ok. There's no evidence of any brake fluid leaks from a quick visual
> inspection.
>
> Thanks, Gary
Check the hoses to the brake servo unit. It uses engine vacuum.

Ovalking

>Isn't the bomb hissing? It hisses after starting the engine for a second
>which is normal.

Haven't noticed that before, and it seems to be coming from the pedal
area. Will grab an assistant for further check on this.


>Check the hoses to the brake servo unit. It uses engine vacuum.

All hoses & pipes appear ok after a further inspection today.
Actually the servo unit is hydraulic. I believe the vacuum servo was only
used on the non-PAS (1.8?) models.

Ovalking

In article <2g4odgF4hcdjU1@uni-berlin.de> Ovalking, ovalking@yahoo.com
writes:
>Will grab an assistant for further check on this.

The hissing is definetly loudest from the pedal area inside the car and
it seems to be getting worse You notice it most at the end of the
pedal stroke or if you hold the pedal down a while. As this is usually
when the brake pressure warning comes on I can only assume it is a side
effect of the bad bomb.
I can feel no leaks from the area above the pedal, and I have checked all
pipes & the brake calipers and everything appears in order.
Does a bad bomb fail the MoT? If so I might have to make this a parts car!

G.

TonyJ

Is your cruise control working? If not the sound may be a bad vacuum
switch for sensing pedal movement to shut the cruise off. I assume the
A100 has these but not sure.

Tony

Ovalking wrote:
> The last couple of days I've noticed a hissing sound when I apply the
> brakes, a bit like air rushing out of somewhere. Anybody know what causes
> this? I couldn't find any references to hissing in searches.
> Car is a UK 1988 Audi 100 2.0 Avant, I get the low brake pressure warning
> lamp ocassionally but had put this down to a bad bomb (which I know needs
> replacing). The brakes do work satisfactorily and the fluid levels are
> all ok. There's no evidence of any brake fluid leaks from a quick visual
> inspection.
>
> Thanks, Gary

Steve Sears

G,
I doubt that it's the pressure accumulator aka "bomb" - the pressurized
nitrogen in there, a small volume (about the size of your fist) around
1200-ish psi, will not be rushing around the floor area of the car -
although the accumulator is in that area, it's on the other side of the
firewall with all of that sound deadening insulation there. The master
cylinder is also on the other side, so I doubt it's sound transfer into
there. Do the standard test - run the car for a few minutes, shut it off
and repeatedly press the brake pedal - it should act normally for about 30
presses, before becoming near-impossible to apply. If there's less, you
need a new accumulator (or refit it to be rechargeable). With the engine
off, and car motionless, do you hear the hissing when applying the brakes?
Maybe, as Tony pointed out, the cruise control vacuum pump is stuck on and
the pedal switches are vacuuming away when the pedals are pressed. Maybe
the pad warning pins are beginning to rub (have you checked the pad
thickness?) Or.....maybe.....the hissing is road noise and you have a
cracked firewall near the pedal mounts, letting in road noise when the
brakes are applied (heard of clutch area firewall cracks in 80's coupes)???
A bad bomb will result in almost no brake assist if your engine dies - not a
good thing on the highway, for sure. I had that happen once when the fuel
pump relay died - the brakes worked OK as long as the engine was still
turning - something accomplished by bringing the clutch out, letting the
engine rotate to drive the power steering pump (which boosts the brakes
through the accumulator) - sorta like an engine failure on a helicopter -
"automobile autorotation". I'm sure that an inspector would not overlook
the condition of the braking system.
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - retrofitted bomb working well
1980 Audi 5k - good ol' vacuum brake assist...or is that new?
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - brake pressure assist = long
brake pedal lever.
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"Ovalking" <ovalking@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <2g4odgF4hcdjU1@uni-berlin.de> Ovalking, ovalking@yahoo.com
> writes:
> >Will grab an assistant for further check on this.
>
> The hissing is definetly loudest from the pedal area inside the car and
> it seems to be getting worse You notice it most at the end of the
> pedal stroke or if you hold the pedal down a while. As this is usually
> when the brake pressure warning comes on I can only assume it is a side
> effect of the bad bomb.
> I can feel no leaks from the area above the pedal, and I have checked all
> pipes & the brake calipers and everything appears in order.
> Does a bad bomb fail the MoT? If so I might have to make this a parts car!
>
> G.

Ovalking

Thanks for your comments and ideas Tony & Steve.

>Is your cruise control working? If not the sound may be a bad vacuum

There's no cruise control - reserved for the posh models.

>Do the standard test - run the car for a few minutes, shut it off
>and repeatedly press the brake pedal - it should act normally for about 30
>presses, before becoming near-impossible to apply.

Yes I had tried this - I get about 1 'normal' press! It was like it when
I bought it but didn't know about the test then

>With the engine
>off, and car motionless, do you hear the hissing when applying the brakes?

No, not at this stage - only does it when the engine is running.

>have you checked the pad thickness?

they're fine - recently replaced.

>Or.....maybe.....the hissing is road noise and you have a

No - you don't have to be moving.

>I'm sure that an inspector would not overlook
>the condition of the braking system.

Checked with the MoT man and he said it would fail so have taken this
'jinxed' car off the road for a rest!