bbutlergps

PeterD wrote:
> On 2 Jan 2007 06:43:18 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >PeterD wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:19:45 +0000, Chris Bartram
> >> <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> I looked into the industrial engine route on the VW and the only one I
> >> >> could find is the 1.9 which is too heavy.
> >> >> Could you explain "the like fooling the ECU it has a clutch and brake
> >> >> switch to prevent
> >> >> limp-home, for example."
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Bill
> >> >>
> >> >IIRC there's 2 brakelight switches, and a clutch switch. The clutch
> >> >switch could be ignored, probably, but with the brake switches you need
> >> >to make sure the ECU doesn't think there's a fault. I believe it
> >> >compares the 2 switches, and if one is different, throws a check engine
> >> >lamp. This may or may not reduce power- I can't remember. I do know that
> >> >a very common cause of the check light is a blown brake bulb....
> >> >
> >>
> >> Humm, putting a brake pedal on an airplane... <g> That's interesting!
> >>
> >> (OK, full sized planes do have brakes, but I don't think I've seen
> >> brake lights on any. <bg>)
> >
> >Haven't you heard of "air brakes"?
> >No, what he is talking about is I need to consider "fooling" the ECU
> >that all is well with the brakes and clutch systems, even though they
> >don't have those systems installed.
> >Keep it coming.
> >Bill
>
> Drag chute! Just like on the fighter planes.
>
> I keep wondering if this engine might be used in any industrial
> equipment such as fork lifts?

I don't know about the 1.2 but the larger 1.6 or 1.9 does have an
industrail VW engine. VW has an industrail engine page however it is
cast block and it weighs too much.
Bill

bbutlergps

PeterD wrote:
> On 2 Jan 2007 06:43:18 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >PeterD wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:19:45 +0000, Chris Bartram
> >> <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> I looked into the industrial engine route on the VW and the only one I
> >> >> could find is the 1.9 which is too heavy.
> >> >> Could you explain "the like fooling the ECU it has a clutch and brake
> >> >> switch to prevent
> >> >> limp-home, for example."
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Bill
> >> >>
> >> >IIRC there's 2 brakelight switches, and a clutch switch. The clutch
> >> >switch could be ignored, probably, but with the brake switches you need
> >> >to make sure the ECU doesn't think there's a fault. I believe it
> >> >compares the 2 switches, and if one is different, throws a check engine
> >> >lamp. This may or may not reduce power- I can't remember. I do know that
> >> >a very common cause of the check light is a blown brake bulb....
> >> >
> >>
> >> Humm, putting a brake pedal on an airplane... <g> That's interesting!
> >>
> >> (OK, full sized planes do have brakes, but I don't think I've seen
> >> brake lights on any. <bg>)
> >
> >Haven't you heard of "air brakes"?
> >No, what he is talking about is I need to consider "fooling" the ECU
> >that all is well with the brakes and clutch systems, even though they
> >don't have those systems installed.
> >Keep it coming.
> >Bill
>
> Drag chute! Just like on the fighter planes.
>
> I keep wondering if this engine might be used in any industrial
> equipment such as fork lifts?

I don't know about the 1.2 but the larger 1.6 or 1.9 does have an
industrail VW engine. VW has an industrail engine page however it is
cast block and it weighs too much.
Bill

bbutlergps

PeterD wrote:
> On 2 Jan 2007 06:43:18 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >PeterD wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:19:45 +0000, Chris Bartram
> >> <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> I looked into the industrial engine route on the VW and the only one I
> >> >> could find is the 1.9 which is too heavy.
> >> >> Could you explain "the like fooling the ECU it has a clutch and brake
> >> >> switch to prevent
> >> >> limp-home, for example."
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Bill
> >> >>
> >> >IIRC there's 2 brakelight switches, and a clutch switch. The clutch
> >> >switch could be ignored, probably, but with the brake switches you need
> >> >to make sure the ECU doesn't think there's a fault. I believe it
> >> >compares the 2 switches, and if one is different, throws a check engine
> >> >lamp. This may or may not reduce power- I can't remember. I do know that
> >> >a very common cause of the check light is a blown brake bulb....
> >> >
> >>
> >> Humm, putting a brake pedal on an airplane... <g> That's interesting!
> >>
> >> (OK, full sized planes do have brakes, but I don't think I've seen
> >> brake lights on any. <bg>)
> >
> >Haven't you heard of "air brakes"?
> >No, what he is talking about is I need to consider "fooling" the ECU
> >that all is well with the brakes and clutch systems, even though they
> >don't have those systems installed.
> >Keep it coming.
> >Bill
>
> Drag chute! Just like on the fighter planes.
>
> I keep wondering if this engine might be used in any industrial
> equipment such as fork lifts?

I don't know about the 1.2 but the larger 1.6 or 1.9 does have an
industrail VW engine. VW has an industrail engine page however it is
cast block and it weighs too much.
Bill

Anneke.A

"bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1166749767.566278.258480@f1g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Howdy,
> Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> along with the controller.

The concept should work. Only the designcriteria for aircraftengines and
materials requirements may differ from car engines in general. Aircraft have
higher redundancy in general than cars. Sensors and avionics have a factor
4. Audi does not provide this in their motormanagement.
http://web.thielert.com/typo3/index.php?id=530&L=1 is one of the great
companies with dieselengines for aircraft. Maybe learn from them?

A.

Anneke.A

"bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1166749767.566278.258480@f1g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Howdy,
> Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> along with the controller.

The concept should work. Only the designcriteria for aircraftengines and
materials requirements may differ from car engines in general. Aircraft have
higher redundancy in general than cars. Sensors and avionics have a factor
4. Audi does not provide this in their motormanagement.
http://web.thielert.com/typo3/index.php?id=530&L=1 is one of the great
companies with dieselengines for aircraft. Maybe learn from them?

A.

Anneke.A

"bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1166749767.566278.258480@f1g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Howdy,
> Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> along with the controller.

The concept should work. Only the designcriteria for aircraftengines and
materials requirements may differ from car engines in general. Aircraft have
higher redundancy in general than cars. Sensors and avionics have a factor
4. Audi does not provide this in their motormanagement.
http://web.thielert.com/typo3/index.php?id=530&L=1 is one of the great
companies with dieselengines for aircraft. Maybe learn from them?

A.

Anneke.A

"bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1166749767.566278.258480@f1g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Howdy,
> Speaking to you folks over "the pond" and was wondering about the VW
> Lupo / Audi A2 3 cylinder 1.2 liter turbo diesel. I am looking at this
> power plant for an aircraft. This engine is all alluminum and weighs in
> at 100 kg. This power plant that I am looking for is in 2000 and up
> models of the VW Lupo or Audi A2. I am looking for a complete engine
> along with the controller.

The concept should work. Only the designcriteria for aircraftengines and
materials requirements may differ from car engines in general. Aircraft have
higher redundancy in general than cars. Sensors and avionics have a factor
4. Audi does not provide this in their motormanagement.
http://web.thielert.com/typo3/index.php?id=530&L=1 is one of the great
companies with dieselengines for aircraft. Maybe learn from them?

A.