Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
12-09-2004, 10:53 PM
#41
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
What!?!?
The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
If you thought that was anywhere near nice and/or well put together, you'd
love a vintage 1980s Jeep. Seriously, that thing is a tremendous step down
for MB, and they've been somewhat practiced at stepping down build quality
and reliability for the last 10 years.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class. You
will find many examples of those 10+ year old cars with fewer rattles,
tighter exterior panel fit, and better internal fit and finish than a new ML
that just rolled off the assembly line.
On 12/8/04 10:42 PM, in article
20041208224235.16116.00002058@mb-m02.aol.com, "Steve Grauman"
<oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what happened to the Germans, cars that used to be
>> rock solid are a thing of the past.
>>
>
> Mercedes Benz isn't what it used to be but the cars are still solid. In fact,
> IMHO, MB is the only company who's cars interior quality can match or best the
> Audi models. We test drove the ML-series SUV twice, once in late 2000 before
> my
> mother got her RX300 and again a few weeks ago before she got her new Touraeg.
> The exterior styling leaves a *lot* to be desired but the interior is
> extremely
> nice and well put togethor.
> Steve Grauman
The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
If you thought that was anywhere near nice and/or well put together, you'd
love a vintage 1980s Jeep. Seriously, that thing is a tremendous step down
for MB, and they've been somewhat practiced at stepping down build quality
and reliability for the last 10 years.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class. You
will find many examples of those 10+ year old cars with fewer rattles,
tighter exterior panel fit, and better internal fit and finish than a new ML
that just rolled off the assembly line.
On 12/8/04 10:42 PM, in article
20041208224235.16116.00002058@mb-m02.aol.com, "Steve Grauman"
<oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what happened to the Germans, cars that used to be
>> rock solid are a thing of the past.
>>
>
> Mercedes Benz isn't what it used to be but the cars are still solid. In fact,
> IMHO, MB is the only company who's cars interior quality can match or best the
> Audi models. We test drove the ML-series SUV twice, once in late 2000 before
> my
> mother got her RX300 and again a few weeks ago before she got her new Touraeg.
> The exterior styling leaves a *lot* to be desired but the interior is
> extremely
> nice and well put togethor.
> Steve Grauman
12-09-2004, 10:53 PM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
What!?!?
The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
If you thought that was anywhere near nice and/or well put together, you'd
love a vintage 1980s Jeep. Seriously, that thing is a tremendous step down
for MB, and they've been somewhat practiced at stepping down build quality
and reliability for the last 10 years.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class. You
will find many examples of those 10+ year old cars with fewer rattles,
tighter exterior panel fit, and better internal fit and finish than a new ML
that just rolled off the assembly line.
On 12/8/04 10:42 PM, in article
20041208224235.16116.00002058@mb-m02.aol.com, "Steve Grauman"
<oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what happened to the Germans, cars that used to be
>> rock solid are a thing of the past.
>>
>
> Mercedes Benz isn't what it used to be but the cars are still solid. In fact,
> IMHO, MB is the only company who's cars interior quality can match or best the
> Audi models. We test drove the ML-series SUV twice, once in late 2000 before
> my
> mother got her RX300 and again a few weeks ago before she got her new Touraeg.
> The exterior styling leaves a *lot* to be desired but the interior is
> extremely
> nice and well put togethor.
> Steve Grauman
The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
If you thought that was anywhere near nice and/or well put together, you'd
love a vintage 1980s Jeep. Seriously, that thing is a tremendous step down
for MB, and they've been somewhat practiced at stepping down build quality
and reliability for the last 10 years.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class. You
will find many examples of those 10+ year old cars with fewer rattles,
tighter exterior panel fit, and better internal fit and finish than a new ML
that just rolled off the assembly line.
On 12/8/04 10:42 PM, in article
20041208224235.16116.00002058@mb-m02.aol.com, "Steve Grauman"
<oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what happened to the Germans, cars that used to be
>> rock solid are a thing of the past.
>>
>
> Mercedes Benz isn't what it used to be but the cars are still solid. In fact,
> IMHO, MB is the only company who's cars interior quality can match or best the
> Audi models. We test drove the ML-series SUV twice, once in late 2000 before
> my
> mother got her RX300 and again a few weeks ago before she got her new Touraeg.
> The exterior styling leaves a *lot* to be desired but the interior is
> extremely
> nice and well put togethor.
> Steve Grauman
12-09-2004, 10:53 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
What!?!?
The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
If you thought that was anywhere near nice and/or well put together, you'd
love a vintage 1980s Jeep. Seriously, that thing is a tremendous step down
for MB, and they've been somewhat practiced at stepping down build quality
and reliability for the last 10 years.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class. You
will find many examples of those 10+ year old cars with fewer rattles,
tighter exterior panel fit, and better internal fit and finish than a new ML
that just rolled off the assembly line.
On 12/8/04 10:42 PM, in article
20041208224235.16116.00002058@mb-m02.aol.com, "Steve Grauman"
<oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what happened to the Germans, cars that used to be
>> rock solid are a thing of the past.
>>
>
> Mercedes Benz isn't what it used to be but the cars are still solid. In fact,
> IMHO, MB is the only company who's cars interior quality can match or best the
> Audi models. We test drove the ML-series SUV twice, once in late 2000 before
> my
> mother got her RX300 and again a few weeks ago before she got her new Touraeg.
> The exterior styling leaves a *lot* to be desired but the interior is
> extremely
> nice and well put togethor.
> Steve Grauman
The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
If you thought that was anywhere near nice and/or well put together, you'd
love a vintage 1980s Jeep. Seriously, that thing is a tremendous step down
for MB, and they've been somewhat practiced at stepping down build quality
and reliability for the last 10 years.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class. You
will find many examples of those 10+ year old cars with fewer rattles,
tighter exterior panel fit, and better internal fit and finish than a new ML
that just rolled off the assembly line.
On 12/8/04 10:42 PM, in article
20041208224235.16116.00002058@mb-m02.aol.com, "Steve Grauman"
<oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what happened to the Germans, cars that used to be
>> rock solid are a thing of the past.
>>
>
> Mercedes Benz isn't what it used to be but the cars are still solid. In fact,
> IMHO, MB is the only company who's cars interior quality can match or best the
> Audi models. We test drove the ML-series SUV twice, once in late 2000 before
> my
> mother got her RX300 and again a few weeks ago before she got her new Touraeg.
> The exterior styling leaves a *lot* to be desired but the interior is
> extremely
> nice and well put togethor.
> Steve Grauman
12-10-2004, 12:28 AM
#44
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
12-10-2004, 12:28 AM
#45
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Posts: n/a
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
12-10-2004, 12:28 AM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
12-11-2004, 07:28 AM
#47
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
If you can wait for the 2006 models, there will be a lot of fresh blood.
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
> I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
>
> Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>
> H Castorp
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
> I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
>
> Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>
> H Castorp
12-11-2004, 07:28 AM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
If you can wait for the 2006 models, there will be a lot of fresh blood.
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
> I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
>
> Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>
> H Castorp
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
> I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
>
> Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>
> H Castorp
12-11-2004, 07:28 AM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
If you can wait for the 2006 models, there will be a lot of fresh blood.
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
> I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
>
> Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>
> H Castorp
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
> I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
>
> Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>
> H Castorp
12-11-2004, 09:05 AM
#50
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>> The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
>
> The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
> MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
> well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
>
We'll just have to respectfully disagree on this one. I find both the
interior and exterior fit, finish, and feel of the ML to be appallingly
cheap and lacking in the "traditional" (but becoming less traditional with
each passing model) Mercedes quality. I have no experience with the Lexus
or the Acura, so I don't know if they are terrible as well.
>> Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
>
> My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
> he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
> togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
> either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
> Steve Grauman
The last body SL was the last well built MB IMHO, and it was magnificent.
While the new car is a far superior sports car, its build quality doesn't
match up. And as for the W211, I love the way it looks, and considered
replacing my wife's W124 wagon with one, until I spotted the consistently
inconsistent panel to light cluster gaps on every W211 I observed up close.
That's just plain unacceptable for cars this expensive. Look at what Audi's
doing these days. There's just no excuse for cheap plastics and big
inconsistent panel gaps in a "luxury" car. It's sad, but I think I know own
my last two MBs.
