Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
#31
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On 09 Dec 2004 03:40:16 GMT, oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote:
>>but the Audi
>>is more affordable and appropriate for my life in western New York
>>winters, and my 98.5 A4 has been trouble-free for the most part.
>
>Apparently Subaru's have a very good reputation for snow and ice conditions as
>well. Again I prefer the A4's interior but I think the Legacy/Outback with the
>250Hp 2.5 litre turbo motor might be worth a look - just in case.
Subaru is an outstanding car for our winters, and we have a 1999
Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
except price and maintenance.
>>but the Audi
>>is more affordable and appropriate for my life in western New York
>>winters, and my 98.5 A4 has been trouble-free for the most part.
>
>Apparently Subaru's have a very good reputation for snow and ice conditions as
>well. Again I prefer the A4's interior but I think the Legacy/Outback with the
>250Hp 2.5 litre turbo motor might be worth a look - just in case.
Subaru is an outstanding car for our winters, and we have a 1999
Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
except price and maintenance.
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>Subaru is an outstanding car for our winters, and we have a 1999
>Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
>except price and maintenance.
The Subies, at least the more expensive sedans, are getting nicer. I was fairly
impressed when I test drove the new 2.5GT sedans but it's still not Audi
quality.
Steve Grauman
>Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
>except price and maintenance.
The Subies, at least the more expensive sedans, are getting nicer. I was fairly
impressed when I test drove the new 2.5GT sedans but it's still not Audi
quality.
Steve Grauman
#33
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>Subaru is an outstanding car for our winters, and we have a 1999
>Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
>except price and maintenance.
The Subies, at least the more expensive sedans, are getting nicer. I was fairly
impressed when I test drove the new 2.5GT sedans but it's still not Audi
quality.
Steve Grauman
>Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
>except price and maintenance.
The Subies, at least the more expensive sedans, are getting nicer. I was fairly
impressed when I test drove the new 2.5GT sedans but it's still not Audi
quality.
Steve Grauman
#34
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>Subaru is an outstanding car for our winters, and we have a 1999
>Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
>except price and maintenance.
The Subies, at least the more expensive sedans, are getting nicer. I was fairly
impressed when I test drove the new 2.5GT sedans but it's still not Audi
quality.
Steve Grauman
>Legacy Outback right now, but the A4 is superior in all respects
>except price and maintenance.
The Subies, at least the more expensive sedans, are getting nicer. I was fairly
impressed when I test drove the new 2.5GT sedans but it's still not Audi
quality.
Steve Grauman
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> "Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
>>
>>>I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>>>
>>>H Castorp
>>
>>
>> Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
>
>Too bad it's so ugly.
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
BMWs though nice are too common and option up real pretty like. Go to
the Audi page and option up an A4 and then try it with BMW. You will
spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
road with a 3 series.
The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on. The extra
HP instead of useful things is something I would expect from the US
car assemblers. More HP = more fuel consumption. Do you need 250 HP to
toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
>--
>Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> "Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
>>
>>>I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>>>
>>>H Castorp
>>
>>
>> Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
>
>Too bad it's so ugly.
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
BMWs though nice are too common and option up real pretty like. Go to
the Audi page and option up an A4 and then try it with BMW. You will
spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
road with a 3 series.
The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on. The extra
HP instead of useful things is something I would expect from the US
car assemblers. More HP = more fuel consumption. Do you need 250 HP to
toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
>--
>Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> "Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
>>
>>>I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>>>
>>>H Castorp
>>
>>
>> Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
>
>Too bad it's so ugly.
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
BMWs though nice are too common and option up real pretty like. Go to
the Audi page and option up an A4 and then try it with BMW. You will
spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
road with a 3 series.
The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on. The extra
HP instead of useful things is something I would expect from the US
car assemblers. More HP = more fuel consumption. Do you need 250 HP to
toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
>--
>Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> "Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
>>
>>>I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>>>
>>>H Castorp
>>
>>
>> Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
>
>Too bad it's so ugly.
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
BMWs though nice are too common and option up real pretty like. Go to
the Audi page and option up an A4 and then try it with BMW. You will
spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
road with a 3 series.
The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on. The extra
HP instead of useful things is something I would expect from the US
car assemblers. More HP = more fuel consumption. Do you need 250 HP to
toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
>--
>Mike Smith
#37
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> "Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
>>
>>>I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>>>
>>>H Castorp
>>
>>
>> Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
>
>Too bad it's so ugly.
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
BMWs though nice are too common and option up real pretty like. Go to
the Audi page and option up an A4 and then try it with BMW. You will
spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
road with a 3 series.
The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on. The extra
HP instead of useful things is something I would expect from the US
car assemblers. More HP = more fuel consumption. Do you need 250 HP to
toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
>--
>Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> "Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
>>
>>>I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
>>>
>>>H Castorp
>>
>>
>> Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
>
>Too bad it's so ugly.
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
BMWs though nice are too common and option up real pretty like. Go to
the Audi page and option up an A4 and then try it with BMW. You will
spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
road with a 3 series.
The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on. The extra
HP instead of useful things is something I would expect from the US
car assemblers. More HP = more fuel consumption. Do you need 250 HP to
toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
>--
>Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
The IS is RWD, and psosts higher skidpad numbers than a 330i, althog the 330
may turn that around if optioned with the Sport Pacakge that also ups
horsepower.
>Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
>on a small car.
>
The Corolla uses the 1.8 litre 180Hp motor from the Celica GT-S. Very fun at
high revvs but practically useless torque below 4500 RPM and it still feels
like an econobox inside. Frankly, even Nissan's Sentra SE-R VSpec is more
attractive to me than the XRS. It's got better low-end power from the 2.5 litre
motor and can be had with Brembo brakes. Of course, for the money, I'll take a
Jetta GLS 1.8T over any of those.
>You will
>spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
>road with a 3 series.
My local dealer sells Audi, Porsche and BMW. I went with my mother several
weeks ago to test drive a Cayenne S and to show her the A6 Avant. When we went
to the BMW side to look at the X3 and X5 we noticed a fully optioned 330i with
a $45,600 sticker. You've GOT to be kidding me. I'll take an S4 thanks.
>The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
>doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
>like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on.
The G35 is the best deal to come out of Nissan Motors in years. For $35,000 you
can have a fully loaded, 260 horsepower sedan with Navigation, leather, premium
sound, and a low 6-second 0-60 time. Not to mention that it can match or beat a
330 on the track. It's interior quality cannot quite match the A4's but it's
certainly as nice as the BMW's, which I think is over-rated. There's also
(apparently) huge discounts being given on the M45 which I think is a neat car,
but some people really dislike the exterior styling, and it's normal price of
around $50k is to high by any standard.
>Do you need 250 HP to
>toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
Well there's a little more to buying than that. If all you need is basic A to B
transportation from a car that's capable of 65 MPH highway speeds than a
$12,000 Kia will do it.
Steve Grauman
The IS is RWD, and psosts higher skidpad numbers than a 330i, althog the 330
may turn that around if optioned with the Sport Pacakge that also ups
horsepower.
>Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
>on a small car.
>
The Corolla uses the 1.8 litre 180Hp motor from the Celica GT-S. Very fun at
high revvs but practically useless torque below 4500 RPM and it still feels
like an econobox inside. Frankly, even Nissan's Sentra SE-R VSpec is more
attractive to me than the XRS. It's got better low-end power from the 2.5 litre
motor and can be had with Brembo brakes. Of course, for the money, I'll take a
Jetta GLS 1.8T over any of those.
>You will
>spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
>road with a 3 series.
My local dealer sells Audi, Porsche and BMW. I went with my mother several
weeks ago to test drive a Cayenne S and to show her the A6 Avant. When we went
to the BMW side to look at the X3 and X5 we noticed a fully optioned 330i with
a $45,600 sticker. You've GOT to be kidding me. I'll take an S4 thanks.
>The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
>doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
>like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on.
The G35 is the best deal to come out of Nissan Motors in years. For $35,000 you
can have a fully loaded, 260 horsepower sedan with Navigation, leather, premium
sound, and a low 6-second 0-60 time. Not to mention that it can match or beat a
330 on the track. It's interior quality cannot quite match the A4's but it's
certainly as nice as the BMW's, which I think is over-rated. There's also
(apparently) huge discounts being given on the M45 which I think is a neat car,
but some people really dislike the exterior styling, and it's normal price of
around $50k is to high by any standard.
>Do you need 250 HP to
>toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
Well there's a little more to buying than that. If all you need is basic A to B
transportation from a car that's capable of 65 MPH highway speeds than a
$12,000 Kia will do it.
Steve Grauman
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
The IS is RWD, and psosts higher skidpad numbers than a 330i, althog the 330
may turn that around if optioned with the Sport Pacakge that also ups
horsepower.
>Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
>on a small car.
>
The Corolla uses the 1.8 litre 180Hp motor from the Celica GT-S. Very fun at
high revvs but practically useless torque below 4500 RPM and it still feels
like an econobox inside. Frankly, even Nissan's Sentra SE-R VSpec is more
attractive to me than the XRS. It's got better low-end power from the 2.5 litre
motor and can be had with Brembo brakes. Of course, for the money, I'll take a
Jetta GLS 1.8T over any of those.
>You will
>spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
>road with a 3 series.
My local dealer sells Audi, Porsche and BMW. I went with my mother several
weeks ago to test drive a Cayenne S and to show her the A6 Avant. When we went
to the BMW side to look at the X3 and X5 we noticed a fully optioned 330i with
a $45,600 sticker. You've GOT to be kidding me. I'll take an S4 thanks.
>The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
>doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
>like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on.
The G35 is the best deal to come out of Nissan Motors in years. For $35,000 you
can have a fully loaded, 260 horsepower sedan with Navigation, leather, premium
sound, and a low 6-second 0-60 time. Not to mention that it can match or beat a
330 on the track. It's interior quality cannot quite match the A4's but it's
certainly as nice as the BMW's, which I think is over-rated. There's also
(apparently) huge discounts being given on the M45 which I think is a neat car,
but some people really dislike the exterior styling, and it's normal price of
around $50k is to high by any standard.
>Do you need 250 HP to
>toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
Well there's a little more to buying than that. If all you need is basic A to B
transportation from a car that's capable of 65 MPH highway speeds than a
$12,000 Kia will do it.
Steve Grauman
The IS is RWD, and psosts higher skidpad numbers than a 330i, althog the 330
may turn that around if optioned with the Sport Pacakge that also ups
horsepower.
>Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
>on a small car.
>
The Corolla uses the 1.8 litre 180Hp motor from the Celica GT-S. Very fun at
high revvs but practically useless torque below 4500 RPM and it still feels
like an econobox inside. Frankly, even Nissan's Sentra SE-R VSpec is more
attractive to me than the XRS. It's got better low-end power from the 2.5 litre
motor and can be had with Brembo brakes. Of course, for the money, I'll take a
Jetta GLS 1.8T over any of those.
>You will
>spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
>road with a 3 series.
My local dealer sells Audi, Porsche and BMW. I went with my mother several
weeks ago to test drive a Cayenne S and to show her the A6 Avant. When we went
to the BMW side to look at the X3 and X5 we noticed a fully optioned 330i with
a $45,600 sticker. You've GOT to be kidding me. I'll take an S4 thanks.
>The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
>doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
>like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on.
The G35 is the best deal to come out of Nissan Motors in years. For $35,000 you
can have a fully loaded, 260 horsepower sedan with Navigation, leather, premium
sound, and a low 6-second 0-60 time. Not to mention that it can match or beat a
330 on the track. It's interior quality cannot quite match the A4's but it's
certainly as nice as the BMW's, which I think is over-rated. There's also
(apparently) huge discounts being given on the M45 which I think is a neat car,
but some people really dislike the exterior styling, and it's normal price of
around $50k is to high by any standard.
>Do you need 250 HP to
>toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
Well there's a little more to buying than that. If all you need is basic A to B
transportation from a car that's capable of 65 MPH highway speeds than a
$12,000 Kia will do it.
Steve Grauman
#40
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
The IS is RWD, and psosts higher skidpad numbers than a 330i, althog the 330
may turn that around if optioned with the Sport Pacakge that also ups
horsepower.
>Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
>on a small car.
>
The Corolla uses the 1.8 litre 180Hp motor from the Celica GT-S. Very fun at
high revvs but practically useless torque below 4500 RPM and it still feels
like an econobox inside. Frankly, even Nissan's Sentra SE-R VSpec is more
attractive to me than the XRS. It's got better low-end power from the 2.5 litre
motor and can be had with Brembo brakes. Of course, for the money, I'll take a
Jetta GLS 1.8T over any of those.
>You will
>spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
>road with a 3 series.
My local dealer sells Audi, Porsche and BMW. I went with my mother several
weeks ago to test drive a Cayenne S and to show her the A6 Avant. When we went
to the BMW side to look at the X3 and X5 we noticed a fully optioned 330i with
a $45,600 sticker. You've GOT to be kidding me. I'll take an S4 thanks.
>The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
>doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
>like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on.
The G35 is the best deal to come out of Nissan Motors in years. For $35,000 you
can have a fully loaded, 260 horsepower sedan with Navigation, leather, premium
sound, and a low 6-second 0-60 time. Not to mention that it can match or beat a
330 on the track. It's interior quality cannot quite match the A4's but it's
certainly as nice as the BMW's, which I think is over-rated. There's also
(apparently) huge discounts being given on the M45 which I think is a neat car,
but some people really dislike the exterior styling, and it's normal price of
around $50k is to high by any standard.
>Do you need 250 HP to
>toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
Well there's a little more to buying than that. If all you need is basic A to B
transportation from a car that's capable of 65 MPH highway speeds than a
$12,000 Kia will do it.
Steve Grauman
The IS is RWD, and psosts higher skidpad numbers than a 330i, althog the 330
may turn that around if optioned with the Sport Pacakge that also ups
horsepower.
>Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
>on a small car.
>
The Corolla uses the 1.8 litre 180Hp motor from the Celica GT-S. Very fun at
high revvs but practically useless torque below 4500 RPM and it still feels
like an econobox inside. Frankly, even Nissan's Sentra SE-R VSpec is more
attractive to me than the XRS. It's got better low-end power from the 2.5 litre
motor and can be had with Brembo brakes. Of course, for the money, I'll take a
Jetta GLS 1.8T over any of those.
>You will
>spend ~ $8K more for the BMW. And look like every other mook on the
>road with a 3 series.
My local dealer sells Audi, Porsche and BMW. I went with my mother several
weeks ago to test drive a Cayenne S and to show her the A6 Avant. When we went
to the BMW side to look at the X3 and X5 we noticed a fully optioned 330i with
a $45,600 sticker. You've GOT to be kidding me. I'll take an S4 thanks.
>The G35 is pretty OK, my second choice. Distant 2nd. What Nissan is
>doing with the G35 is pumping up the HP in lieu of other useful things
>like how the rear seat functions, fit and finish and so on.
The G35 is the best deal to come out of Nissan Motors in years. For $35,000 you
can have a fully loaded, 260 horsepower sedan with Navigation, leather, premium
sound, and a low 6-second 0-60 time. Not to mention that it can match or beat a
330 on the track. It's interior quality cannot quite match the A4's but it's
certainly as nice as the BMW's, which I think is over-rated. There's also
(apparently) huge discounts being given on the M45 which I think is a neat car,
but some people really dislike the exterior styling, and it's normal price of
around $50k is to high by any standard.
>Do you need 250 HP to
>toodle around at 50 km/hr? I don't and chose the A4 1.8 q.
>
Well there's a little more to buying than that. If all you need is basic A to B
transportation from a car that's capable of 65 MPH highway speeds than a
$12,000 Kia will do it.
Steve Grauman