A4 or another A6?
12-23-2003, 04:36 PM
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A4 or another A6?
I'm looking for some helpful advice on my next purchase please.
I currently own a UK '99 A6 1.8T, 115,000miles (70,000 miles when
purchased). It was my first Audi purchase and have had the car just over 2
years. Love the way it drives, performs etc. but the running costs in my
opinion have been quite excessive (£3,500 including servicing over the 2
years, although one was the 80,000 mile cambelt change).
The costs have been made up of lower suspension arms, front & rear being
replaced at 76,000 miles, water pump at 90,000 miles and then cam chain
adjuster at 110,000 miles plus some other stuff like CV boots and brake
hoses. Now have a knocking from the right hand side suspension when slowly
going over bumpy surface (suspension arms again or something else??, advice
on this would be helpful as well, thanks)
The question is does this sound excessive for the age/mileage? I'm keen to
get another A6 (2.4 maybe or even chip another 1.8T), perhaps a lower
mileage example but am hoping I was just unlucky with this one. The
alternative is a A4 1.8T Sport (probably 1999 or 2000 model).
What sort of things does the A4 suffer with. Does the A4 suffer from the
same suspension problems as the A6?
Would love to stick with Audi but need some re-assurance the one I have now
needed more work than usual, and that it may have be the exception........
hopefully!!
Would appreciate some feedback.
Thanks
Ian.
I currently own a UK '99 A6 1.8T, 115,000miles (70,000 miles when
purchased). It was my first Audi purchase and have had the car just over 2
years. Love the way it drives, performs etc. but the running costs in my
opinion have been quite excessive (£3,500 including servicing over the 2
years, although one was the 80,000 mile cambelt change).
The costs have been made up of lower suspension arms, front & rear being
replaced at 76,000 miles, water pump at 90,000 miles and then cam chain
adjuster at 110,000 miles plus some other stuff like CV boots and brake
hoses. Now have a knocking from the right hand side suspension when slowly
going over bumpy surface (suspension arms again or something else??, advice
on this would be helpful as well, thanks)
The question is does this sound excessive for the age/mileage? I'm keen to
get another A6 (2.4 maybe or even chip another 1.8T), perhaps a lower
mileage example but am hoping I was just unlucky with this one. The
alternative is a A4 1.8T Sport (probably 1999 or 2000 model).
What sort of things does the A4 suffer with. Does the A4 suffer from the
same suspension problems as the A6?
Would love to stick with Audi but need some re-assurance the one I have now
needed more work than usual, and that it may have be the exception........
hopefully!!
Would appreciate some feedback.
Thanks
Ian.
12-23-2003, 07:26 PM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
While the B5 based A4 and the current generation A6 (it hasn't changed since
199
both have had their share of quirks, the problems you're mentioning are
not typical, at least based on what I've seen. If you're buying from private
owners, you may have inhereted vehicle problems created and then made worse by
abuse and/or poor a service history. Buying a certified vehicle from a dealer
will cost a little more, but you largly eliminate the chances of ending up with
a car that had pre-exisiting problems. I've personally never driven an A6 with
the 1.8T, they don't sell it here in the states. But I know someone who owned
one while living in Europe and said that it's only saving grace is it's gas
mileage, that is unless you chip it. I know that chipping an American Spec 1.8T
will yield 209Hp and 249 Ft. Lbs. on crappy 91 octane California gas, more than
enough I would think to adequately power the A6. That's more than what the old
2.8 was putting out! If you like the size and feel of the A6, than a chipped
1.8T sounds like a great way to go.
199
both have had their share of quirks, the problems you're mentioning arenot typical, at least based on what I've seen. If you're buying from private
owners, you may have inhereted vehicle problems created and then made worse by
abuse and/or poor a service history. Buying a certified vehicle from a dealer
will cost a little more, but you largly eliminate the chances of ending up with
a car that had pre-exisiting problems. I've personally never driven an A6 with
the 1.8T, they don't sell it here in the states. But I know someone who owned
one while living in Europe and said that it's only saving grace is it's gas
mileage, that is unless you chip it. I know that chipping an American Spec 1.8T
will yield 209Hp and 249 Ft. Lbs. on crappy 91 octane California gas, more than
enough I would think to adequately power the A6. That's more than what the old
2.8 was putting out! If you like the size and feel of the A6, than a chipped
1.8T sounds like a great way to go.
12-23-2003, 10:28 PM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
"ILS" <ian.smith16@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for some helpful advice on my next purchase please.
>
> I currently own a UK '99 A6 1.8T, 115,000miles (70,000 miles when
> purchased). It was my first Audi purchase and have had the car just over 2
> years. Love the way it drives, performs etc. but the running costs in my
> opinion have been quite excessive (£3,500 including servicing over the 2
> years, although one was the 80,000 mile cambelt change).
>
> The costs have been made up of lower suspension arms, front & rear being
> replaced at 76,000 miles, water pump at 90,000 miles and then cam chain
> adjuster at 110,000 miles plus some other stuff like CV boots and brake
> hoses. Now have a knocking from the right hand side suspension when slowly
> going over bumpy surface (suspension arms again or something else??,
advice
> on this would be helpful as well, thanks)
>
> The question is does this sound excessive for the age/mileage? I'm keen to
> get another A6 (2.4 maybe or even chip another 1.8T), perhaps a lower
> mileage example but am hoping I was just unlucky with this one. The
> alternative is a A4 1.8T Sport (probably 1999 or 2000 model).
>
> What sort of things does the A4 suffer with. Does the A4 suffer from the
> same suspension problems as the A6?
>
> Would love to stick with Audi but need some re-assurance the one I have
now
> needed more work than usual, and that it may have be the exception........
> hopefully!!
>
> Would appreciate some feedback.
FWIW, I've just spent £1500 on servicing my Wife's 96 A4 Avant 1.8 at 77K
miles. Apart from 2 new tyres & a battery it had to have 2 new suspension
arms, a new trackrod end, an 80,000 service (including cambelt and fitting
the modified tensioner set), new front discs and pads & assorted other bits
& bobs (wiper blades etc).
It had other suspension work done at about 63K miles (fortunately under
dealer warranty) and before that had it had a steering rack fail at about
58K (again under warranty) - bought the car from a main dealer 3 years ago
at 55K with a year's warranty.. We had all the suspension greased (as much
as you can) at about 72K because it was all just creaking & groaning -
lubrication cured it & we were told there was no exceissive play in the
thing at the time.
The evaporators in the Aircon leak too - over £1000 to fix. Fortunately the
leak is a slow one & a recharge lasts the best part of 10 months.
Overall, can't say I've been overly impressed by the amount of work that's
gone into a the car given the mileage - but it drives well & does the job.
That said it now sounds like its got a loose baffle in the rear silencer. We
shall have to track that & see what fun that brings
Also just been told that my 98 Passat 1.8T (65K miles) will need the same
modification doing on the cambelts.The people who serviced the Audi told me
that they have seen Cambelts hopping off at as early as 68K miles on the VAG
1.8. Given this is such a known problem shouldn't VAG have issued a recall
on this? I also know it will need 4 new disks an a full set of pads (£450
worth) at the next service
(Servicing agent was Wheelbase in Hersham - kindly recommended by someone
in this NG - and I'd endorse the recommendation BTW)
rgds
I.
12-24-2003, 03:30 AM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
"ILS" <ian.smith16@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for some helpful advice on my next purchase please.
>
> I currently own a UK '99 A6 1.8T, 115,000miles (70,000 miles when
> purchased). It was my first Audi purchase and have had the car just over 2
> years. Love the way it drives, performs etc. but the running costs in my
> opinion have been quite excessive (£3,500 including servicing over the 2
> years, although one was the 80,000 mile cambelt change).
>
> The costs have been made up of lower suspension arms, front & rear being
> replaced at 76,000 miles, water pump at 90,000 miles and then cam chain
> adjuster at 110,000 miles plus some other stuff like CV boots and brake
> hoses. Now have a knocking from the right hand side suspension when slowly
> going over bumpy surface (suspension arms again or something else??,
advice
> on this would be helpful as well, thanks)
>
> The question is does this sound excessive for the age/mileage? I'm keen to
> get another A6 (2.4 maybe or even chip another 1.8T), perhaps a lower
> mileage example but am hoping I was just unlucky with this one. The
> alternative is a A4 1.8T Sport (probably 1999 or 2000 model).
>
> What sort of things does the A4 suffer with. Does the A4 suffer from the
> same suspension problems as the A6?
>
> Would love to stick with Audi but need some re-assurance the one I have
now
> needed more work than usual, and that it may have be the exception........
> hopefully!!
>
> Would appreciate some feedback.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian.
>
>
Ian, you story is almost exactly the same as mine. I bought an A4 98/R 1.9
Tdi SE from a fleet operator with 60k miles in feb 2002. I knew the car
needed cam-belt change, but the Audi dealer found bent suspension arms
problems etc etc and the bill came in at £1300.
The 70k service just 4 months later didn't find much wrong (£200).
The 80k service another 5 months later ran to £ 1250 as they found the
air-mass meter was faulty and in fact had been since I acquired the car. I
had always been disappointed with its low end power, but after the air mass
meter was fixed it drove fantastically and I fell in love with the car all
over again.
The 90k service was just £70 for oil (!). At this point, I realised that I
was going to keep it until it fell apart in which case I could start getting
it serviced at an independent garage. I've used a small local mechanic for
the last 12 years, trust him not to rip me of, but to do a thorough job. So
far so good.
In conclusion, my Audi dealer reassured me that after the suspension not
much more was likely to go wrong. Newer models have a different suspension
set-up (he says) which is less likely to generate such huge bills. I like my
car despite the early financial drain and would buy another, but this time,
I'd probably buy privately and get it checked by a main dealer before
buying. I've found this forum very helpful and I'm sure others (in the
trade) would tell you the best models to go for.
news:cs3Gb.317$Lm5.169@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
> I'm looking for some helpful advice on my next purchase please.
>
> I currently own a UK '99 A6 1.8T, 115,000miles (70,000 miles when
> purchased). It was my first Audi purchase and have had the car just over 2
> years. Love the way it drives, performs etc. but the running costs in my
> opinion have been quite excessive (£3,500 including servicing over the 2
> years, although one was the 80,000 mile cambelt change).
>
> The costs have been made up of lower suspension arms, front & rear being
> replaced at 76,000 miles, water pump at 90,000 miles and then cam chain
> adjuster at 110,000 miles plus some other stuff like CV boots and brake
> hoses. Now have a knocking from the right hand side suspension when slowly
> going over bumpy surface (suspension arms again or something else??,
advice
> on this would be helpful as well, thanks)
>
> The question is does this sound excessive for the age/mileage? I'm keen to
> get another A6 (2.4 maybe or even chip another 1.8T), perhaps a lower
> mileage example but am hoping I was just unlucky with this one. The
> alternative is a A4 1.8T Sport (probably 1999 or 2000 model).
>
> What sort of things does the A4 suffer with. Does the A4 suffer from the
> same suspension problems as the A6?
>
> Would love to stick with Audi but need some re-assurance the one I have
now
> needed more work than usual, and that it may have be the exception........
> hopefully!!
>
> Would appreciate some feedback.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian.
>
>
Ian, you story is almost exactly the same as mine. I bought an A4 98/R 1.9
Tdi SE from a fleet operator with 60k miles in feb 2002. I knew the car
needed cam-belt change, but the Audi dealer found bent suspension arms
problems etc etc and the bill came in at £1300.
The 70k service just 4 months later didn't find much wrong (£200).
The 80k service another 5 months later ran to £ 1250 as they found the
air-mass meter was faulty and in fact had been since I acquired the car. I
had always been disappointed with its low end power, but after the air mass
meter was fixed it drove fantastically and I fell in love with the car all
over again.
The 90k service was just £70 for oil (!). At this point, I realised that I
was going to keep it until it fell apart in which case I could start getting
it serviced at an independent garage. I've used a small local mechanic for
the last 12 years, trust him not to rip me of, but to do a thorough job. So
far so good.
In conclusion, my Audi dealer reassured me that after the suspension not
much more was likely to go wrong. Newer models have a different suspension
set-up (he says) which is less likely to generate such huge bills. I like my
car despite the early financial drain and would buy another, but this time,
I'd probably buy privately and get it checked by a main dealer before
buying. I've found this forum very helpful and I'm sure others (in the
trade) would tell you the best models to go for.
12-24-2003, 03:37 AM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
"ILS" <ian.smith16@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for some helpful advice on my next purchase please.
>
> I currently own a UK '99 A6 1.8T, 115,000miles (70,000 miles when
> purchased). It was my first Audi purchase and have had the car just over 2
> years. Love the way it drives, performs etc. but the running costs in my
> opinion have been quite excessive (£3,500 including servicing over the 2
> years, although one was the 80,000 mile cambelt change).
>
> The costs have been made up of lower suspension arms, front & rear being
> replaced at 76,000 miles, water pump at 90,000 miles and then cam chain
> adjuster at 110,000 miles plus some other stuff like CV boots and brake
> hoses. Now have a knocking from the right hand side suspension when slowly
> going over bumpy surface (suspension arms again or something else??,
advice
> on this would be helpful as well, thanks)
>
> The question is does this sound excessive for the age/mileage? I'm keen to
> get another A6 (2.4 maybe or even chip another 1.8T), perhaps a lower
> mileage example but am hoping I was just unlucky with this one. The
> alternative is a A4 1.8T Sport (probably 1999 or 2000 model).
>
> What sort of things does the A4 suffer with. Does the A4 suffer from the
> same suspension problems as the A6?
>
> Would love to stick with Audi but need some re-assurance the one I have
now
> needed more work than usual, and that it may have be the exception........
> hopefully!!
>
> Would appreciate some feedback.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian.
>
>
Perhaps consider a new A4 on PCP, or if a business car on Contract
Hire/Leasing?
In the past 4.5 years, with an S3 and TT, my servicing & repairs costs have
been about £300. Tyres were £450 + plus another £105 yesterday for an 18"
Pirelli PZero.
--
Doug Ramage
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12-27-2003, 12:47 PM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
Ive got an 1999 A6 2.8 Quattro (UK Spec) Ive had it since it was 6 months
old with 4k on the clock.
Been very few problems (Fuel guage, which is common problem, new headlight
bulb - Xenons £124!) its just gone 97k miles and as the car is bought and
paid for, Im gona keep running it as long as I can.
Ive had the cam belt done a few months back (along with a major service)
£900 ouch! but other than the servicing costs the car has been great and I
would recommend it to anyone who asked about the A6.
The dealer servicing costs are excessive for this milage tho, Reading Audi
dealer is £85 an hour so I'm desperate to find a good independant garage to
pick up the servicing going forward. Other then that, Id say u might have
got an ex fleet car which has been hard worked, hence the failures you
mentioned.
Good luck!
John.
old with 4k on the clock.
Been very few problems (Fuel guage, which is common problem, new headlight
bulb - Xenons £124!) its just gone 97k miles and as the car is bought and
paid for, Im gona keep running it as long as I can.
Ive had the cam belt done a few months back (along with a major service)
£900 ouch! but other than the servicing costs the car has been great and I
would recommend it to anyone who asked about the A6.
The dealer servicing costs are excessive for this milage tho, Reading Audi
dealer is £85 an hour so I'm desperate to find a good independant garage to
pick up the servicing going forward. Other then that, Id say u might have
got an ex fleet car which has been hard worked, hence the failures you
mentioned.
Good luck!
John.
12-27-2003, 06:51 PM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
"John" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Ive got an 1999 A6 2.8 Quattro (UK Spec) Ive had it since it was 6 months
> old with 4k on the clock.
>
> Been very few problems (Fuel guage, which is common problem, new headlight
> bulb - Xenons £124!) its just gone 97k miles and as the car is bought and
> paid for, Im gona keep running it as long as I can.
>
> Ive had the cam belt done a few months back (along with a major service)
> £900 ouch! but other than the servicing costs the car has been great and
I
> would recommend it to anyone who asked about the A6.
>
> The dealer servicing costs are excessive for this milage tho, Reading Audi
> dealer is £85 an hour so I'm desperate to find a good independant garage
to
> pick up the servicing going forward. Other then that, Id say u might have
> got an ex fleet car which has been hard worked, hence the failures you
> mentioned.
www.wheelbase.uk.com (Hersham, nr Weybridge). £55 an hour - did the work
on my wife's A4 recently & seem to know what they are doing - they've been
going for over 12 years apparently. Almost all the VAG dealers are being
bought out by VAG now & no doubt the prices arn't going to be coming down.
I.
12-29-2003, 06:04 AM
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Re: A4 or another A6?
John, looking through some of the old paperwork it appears it is an ex-Fleet
car, and to add to it, it was a 97 model registered new in 99. Sitting a
compound since it's manufacture won't do that much harm though but like you
say being an ex-Fleet car it's probably not been lovelingly looked after.
I have been using an ex-Audi technician for repairs, based in Hurst near
Reading if you're interested, he charges £40/hour.
Thanks to everyone for there re-assuring comments, I'll be hanging on to
mine for while until I get the urge to go for a newer one.
Regards.
"John" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Ive got an 1999 A6 2.8 Quattro (UK Spec) Ive had it since it was 6 months
> old with 4k on the clock.
>
> Been very few problems (Fuel guage, which is common problem, new headlight
> bulb - Xenons £124!) its just gone 97k miles and as the car is bought and
> paid for, Im gona keep running it as long as I can.
>
> Ive had the cam belt done a few months back (along with a major service)
> £900 ouch! but other than the servicing costs the car has been great and
I
> would recommend it to anyone who asked about the A6.
>
> The dealer servicing costs are excessive for this milage tho, Reading Audi
> dealer is £85 an hour so I'm desperate to find a good independant garage
to
> pick up the servicing going forward. Other then that, Id say u might have
> got an ex fleet car which has been hard worked, hence the failures you
> mentioned.
>
> Good luck!
>
> John.
>
>
>
>
>
>
car, and to add to it, it was a 97 model registered new in 99. Sitting a
compound since it's manufacture won't do that much harm though but like you
say being an ex-Fleet car it's probably not been lovelingly looked after.
I have been using an ex-Audi technician for repairs, based in Hurst near
Reading if you're interested, he charges £40/hour.
Thanks to everyone for there re-assuring comments, I'll be hanging on to
mine for while until I get the urge to go for a newer one.
Regards.
"John" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Ive got an 1999 A6 2.8 Quattro (UK Spec) Ive had it since it was 6 months
> old with 4k on the clock.
>
> Been very few problems (Fuel guage, which is common problem, new headlight
> bulb - Xenons £124!) its just gone 97k miles and as the car is bought and
> paid for, Im gona keep running it as long as I can.
>
> Ive had the cam belt done a few months back (along with a major service)
> £900 ouch! but other than the servicing costs the car has been great and
I
> would recommend it to anyone who asked about the A6.
>
> The dealer servicing costs are excessive for this milage tho, Reading Audi
> dealer is £85 an hour so I'm desperate to find a good independant garage
to
> pick up the servicing going forward. Other then that, Id say u might have
> got an ex fleet car which has been hard worked, hence the failures you
> mentioned.
>
> Good luck!
>
> John.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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