911
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Re: 911
On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:01:00 -0400, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>why are they changing it already. don't they have enough on their plate not
>to mess with an Icon already.
>
Already? The 996 body style is 6 or 7 years old! You can't sit on a
design like in the old days (my '83 is indistinguishable from a '78-89
911 to the untrained eye, and from a 74-up for the really clueless).
It's also not very popular with Porsche enthusiasts. The model
before the 996, the 993, is selling for higher prices on the used
market than some of the newer ones.
Emanuel
--
1983 Porsche 911
1983 Porsche 944
wrote:
>why are they changing it already. don't they have enough on their plate not
>to mess with an Icon already.
>
Already? The 996 body style is 6 or 7 years old! You can't sit on a
design like in the old days (my '83 is indistinguishable from a '78-89
911 to the untrained eye, and from a 74-up for the really clueless).
It's also not very popular with Porsche enthusiasts. The model
before the 996, the 993, is selling for higher prices on the used
market than some of the newer ones.
Emanuel
--
1983 Porsche 911
1983 Porsche 944
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Re: 911
"E Brown" <epbrown01@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:01:00 -0400, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >why are they changing it already. don't they have enough on their plate
not to mess with an Icon already.
> >
> Already? The 996 body style is 6 or 7 years old! You can't sit on a
> design like in the old days (my '83 is indistinguishable from a '78-89
> 911 to the untrained eye, and from a 74-up for the really clueless).
> It's also not very popular with Porsche enthusiasts. The model
> before the 996, the 993, is selling for higher prices on the used
> market than some of the newer ones.
> Emanuel
> --
> 1983 Porsche 911
> 1983 Porsche 944
why change something when the previous gen was around for 34 years that's
what made it special. why not improve on it as opposed to make a new one,
and go thru growing pains.
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> On Sat, 1 May 2004 11:01:00 -0400, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >why are they changing it already. don't they have enough on their plate
not to mess with an Icon already.
> >
> Already? The 996 body style is 6 or 7 years old! You can't sit on a
> design like in the old days (my '83 is indistinguishable from a '78-89
> 911 to the untrained eye, and from a 74-up for the really clueless).
> It's also not very popular with Porsche enthusiasts. The model
> before the 996, the 993, is selling for higher prices on the used
> market than some of the newer ones.
> Emanuel
> --
> 1983 Porsche 911
> 1983 Porsche 944
why change something when the previous gen was around for 34 years that's
what made it special. why not improve on it as opposed to make a new one,
and go thru growing pains.
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Re: 911
On Sat, 8 May 2004 12:05:33 -0400, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>why change something when the previous gen was around for 34 years that's
>what made it special. why not improve on it as opposed to make a new one,
>and go thru growing pains.
It hasn't been around for 34 years. The original car was
drastically changed in 1989, completely replaced in 1994, and again in
1998. The next version will be the 997 and that will be an evolution
of the current model (the 996). The cosmetic changes will take it back
to the appearance of the 993, which was the most popular 911 design in
its history.
Emanuel
--
1983 Porsche 911
1983 Porsche 944
wrote:
>why change something when the previous gen was around for 34 years that's
>what made it special. why not improve on it as opposed to make a new one,
>and go thru growing pains.
It hasn't been around for 34 years. The original car was
drastically changed in 1989, completely replaced in 1994, and again in
1998. The next version will be the 997 and that will be an evolution
of the current model (the 996). The cosmetic changes will take it back
to the appearance of the 993, which was the most popular 911 design in
its history.
Emanuel
--
1983 Porsche 911
1983 Porsche 944
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Re: 911
>It hasn't been around for 34 years. The original car was
>drastically changed in 1989, completely replaced in 1994, and again in
>1998. The next version will be the 997 and that will be an evolution
>of the current model (the 996). The cosmetic changes will take it back
>to the appearance of the 993, which was the most popular 911 design in
>its history.
> Emanuel
Apparently, Porsche is planing a particularly short shelf-life for the 997. The
998s are due by late-2006 or early-2007. With the 997, they've gone back to
quasi-993 styling to try and attrack some of the "purists" who were put off by
the 996's new look. But reports I've read not only say that the 998's will move
to an 8-cylinder (and maybe a V-configuration) but that Porsche may move the
engine forward more twoards the center of the car for a mid-rear layout. It'll
be interesting to see what happens and how people react. Personally, I'm a big
fan of both the 993 and 996, but I do believe that the 996 is a little less
sports car and a little more "GT" than the previous variants were. However,
with a modern-day 928 GT car in the works, I think Porsche will be able to move
back toward a harder edged sports car with the Carrera.
>drastically changed in 1989, completely replaced in 1994, and again in
>1998. The next version will be the 997 and that will be an evolution
>of the current model (the 996). The cosmetic changes will take it back
>to the appearance of the 993, which was the most popular 911 design in
>its history.
> Emanuel
Apparently, Porsche is planing a particularly short shelf-life for the 997. The
998s are due by late-2006 or early-2007. With the 997, they've gone back to
quasi-993 styling to try and attrack some of the "purists" who were put off by
the 996's new look. But reports I've read not only say that the 998's will move
to an 8-cylinder (and maybe a V-configuration) but that Porsche may move the
engine forward more twoards the center of the car for a mid-rear layout. It'll
be interesting to see what happens and how people react. Personally, I'm a big
fan of both the 993 and 996, but I do believe that the 996 is a little less
sports car and a little more "GT" than the previous variants were. However,
with a modern-day 928 GT car in the works, I think Porsche will be able to move
back toward a harder edged sports car with the Carrera.
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Re: 911
E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 8 May 2004 12:05:33 -0400, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >why change something when the previous gen was around for 34 years that's
> >what made it special. why not improve on it as opposed to make a new
one,
> >and go thru growing pains.
>
> It hasn't been around for 34 years. The original car was
> drastically changed in 1989, completely replaced in 1994, and again in
> 1998. The next version will be the 997 and that will be an evolution
> of the current model (the 996). The cosmetic changes will take it back
> to the appearance of the 993, which was the most popular 911 design in
> its history.
> Emanuel
> --
> 1983 Porsche 911
> 1983 Porsche 944
Except that while the new car will LOOK like the 993, it will be
water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
Other people apparently agree since they are paying more for the
last year air cooled 911 variiant than for new water cooled 996s
in some cases.
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Re: 911
On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:41:55 GMT, "REInvestments" <nospam@email.com>
wrote:
>Except that while the new car will LOOK like the 993, it will be
>water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
>Other people apparently agree since they are paying more for the
>last year air cooled 911 variiant than for new water cooled 996s
>in some cases.
You're right about that attitude among Porsche fans, but I think
we'll see it turn around in the next couple of years. The 996's
disfavor is resulting in some great deals on them, and people are
starting to take advantage of those. The prices will only go lower now
that a new model has been announced.
And honestly, 993 owners are going to help; because of the attitude
towards them people are asking ridiculous prices for cars that aren't
remotely good enough to warrant them. People will waver when faced
with a nice low-miles 996 and a crappy high-miles 993 going for the
same money, because the car is actually pretty good.
Emanuel
--
1983 Porsche 911
1983 Porsche 944
wrote:
>Except that while the new car will LOOK like the 993, it will be
>water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
>Other people apparently agree since they are paying more for the
>last year air cooled 911 variiant than for new water cooled 996s
>in some cases.
You're right about that attitude among Porsche fans, but I think
we'll see it turn around in the next couple of years. The 996's
disfavor is resulting in some great deals on them, and people are
starting to take advantage of those. The prices will only go lower now
that a new model has been announced.
And honestly, 993 owners are going to help; because of the attitude
towards them people are asking ridiculous prices for cars that aren't
remotely good enough to warrant them. People will waver when faced
with a nice low-miles 996 and a crappy high-miles 993 going for the
same money, because the car is actually pretty good.
Emanuel
--
1983 Porsche 911
1983 Porsche 944
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>it will be
>water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
Why? I can understand criticizing the 996 for being more of a GT and less "hard
edged" than previous variants, but the liquid cooled engine is fantastic. In
more ways that not, Porsche's have gotten nothing but better over the years. No
they're not quite the same as they once were but change can be good, and it has
been for the 911. Hell, the 427 Corvette is an awesome machine, probably the
best of the muscle-era Corvettes. But the C6 is going to be a much *better* car
as a daily driver and general performance machine. It may not be exactly what
"purists" expect of the Corvette (a lot of them dislike the C6's exposed
headlamps) but it doesn't change the facts.
>water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
Why? I can understand criticizing the 996 for being more of a GT and less "hard
edged" than previous variants, but the liquid cooled engine is fantastic. In
more ways that not, Porsche's have gotten nothing but better over the years. No
they're not quite the same as they once were but change can be good, and it has
been for the 911. Hell, the 427 Corvette is an awesome machine, probably the
best of the muscle-era Corvettes. But the C6 is going to be a much *better* car
as a daily driver and general performance machine. It may not be exactly what
"purists" expect of the Corvette (a lot of them dislike the C6's exposed
headlamps) but it doesn't change the facts.
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Re: 911
Steve Grauman <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >it will be
> >water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
>
> Why? I can understand criticizing the 996 for being more of a GT and less
"hard
> edged" than previous variants, but the liquid cooled engine is fantastic.
In
> more ways that not, Porsche's have gotten nothing but better over the
years. No
> they're not quite the same as they once were but change can be good, and
it has
> been for the 911. Hell, the 427 Corvette is an awesome machine, probably
the
> best of the muscle-era Corvettes. But the C6 is going to be a much
*better* car
> as a daily driver and general performance machine. It may not be exactly
what
> "purists" expect of the Corvette (a lot of them dislike the C6's exposed
> headlamps) but it doesn't change the facts.
I owned a 77 911S, 81 911, and an 82 911. I just think the air cooled
engine has more "magic" and is truer to what I love in a 911.
If I'm going to drive a water cooled engine, I'll just drive my Viper.
Larry
99 S420 (this could become an Audi)
96 Dodge Viper RT/10
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Re: 911
In article <u53t90dbk700tb7aph7tlib4vsb3uut1hk@4ax.com>,
E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:41:55 GMT, "REInvestments" <nospam@email.com>
> wrote:
> >Except that while the new car will LOOK like the 993, it will be
> >water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
> >Other people apparently agree since they are paying more for the
> >last year air cooled 911 variiant than for new water cooled 996s
> >in some cases.
>
> You're right about that attitude among Porsche fans, but I think
> we'll see it turn around in the next couple of years. The 996's
> disfavor is resulting in some great deals on them, and people are
> starting to take advantage of those. The prices will only go lower now
> that a new model has been announced.
> And honestly, 993 owners are going to help; because of the attitude
> towards them people are asking ridiculous prices for cars that aren't
> remotely good enough to warrant them. People will waver when faced
> with a nice low-miles 996 and a crappy high-miles 993 going for the
> same money, because the car is actually pretty good.
> Emanuel
Yup... I agree... I have an 84 911 turbo - amazing car. But its a lot of
work to drive. I decided to add something a little newer to my
collection so I started looking at 993 C4s cars. They are great... But
decided if I am going to be spending in the mid to high 40's then I
might as well look at a 996. I took a C2 and C4 for a spin. I was blown
away. The 993C4S was fun. The 2000 996 C4 was just amazing. I will be
picking mine up on Thursday of this week.. cant wait. The 84 911 still
has a place in my heart. It is an amazingly fun car as well.... But a
very different beast.
Cheers,
-Adam
E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:41:55 GMT, "REInvestments" <nospam@email.com>
> wrote:
> >Except that while the new car will LOOK like the 993, it will be
> >water cooled, and I will never buy a water cooled Porsche.
> >Other people apparently agree since they are paying more for the
> >last year air cooled 911 variiant than for new water cooled 996s
> >in some cases.
>
> You're right about that attitude among Porsche fans, but I think
> we'll see it turn around in the next couple of years. The 996's
> disfavor is resulting in some great deals on them, and people are
> starting to take advantage of those. The prices will only go lower now
> that a new model has been announced.
> And honestly, 993 owners are going to help; because of the attitude
> towards them people are asking ridiculous prices for cars that aren't
> remotely good enough to warrant them. People will waver when faced
> with a nice low-miles 996 and a crappy high-miles 993 going for the
> same money, because the car is actually pretty good.
> Emanuel
Yup... I agree... I have an 84 911 turbo - amazing car. But its a lot of
work to drive. I decided to add something a little newer to my
collection so I started looking at 993 C4s cars. They are great... But
decided if I am going to be spending in the mid to high 40's then I
might as well look at a 996. I took a C2 and C4 for a spin. I was blown
away. The 993C4S was fun. The 2000 996 C4 was just amazing. I will be
picking mine up on Thursday of this week.. cant wait. The 84 911 still
has a place in my heart. It is an amazingly fun car as well.... But a
very different beast.
Cheers,
-Adam