Randy S

Anyone else heard this rumor? Will it be for 2005? It seems to make sense,
considering the A4 is only at 220 HP, and it weighs more than most of it's
competitors. The BMW 330i is ranked at 225 HP, but it's nearly 2 seconds
faster to 60 MPH, by some accounts, and then there's the G35 at 260HP....and
the G35 will be offering AWD this winter...

Randy

Alex

Japanese numbers are always overinflated !

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Alexandre
2001 Audi A4 2.8QM
"Randy S" <mikado95@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Anyone else heard this rumor? Will it be for 2005? It seems to make
sense,
> considering the A4 is only at 220 HP, and it weighs more than most of it's
> competitors. The BMW 330i is ranked at 225 HP, but it's nearly 2 seconds
> faster to 60 MPH, by some accounts, and then there's the G35 at
260HP....and
> the G35 will be offering AWD this winter...
>
> Randy

Peter Bell

In message <20031104114546.18482.00000166@mb-m03.aol.com>
mikado95@aol.com (Randy S) wrote:

> Anyone else heard this rumor?

I haven't heard of a VAG 3.2l motor, suitable for longitudinal
installation.

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Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')

Steve Grauman

There's no new engine slated for the A4 at this point in time. There *should*
be, but there isn't. The A4 is a fantastic machine, but it gets stomped on by
the 3 series and G35 in terms of performance. Audi seems not to care. VW
doesn't seem to care much either, they're taking their sweet time getting the
next gen. Passat togethor despite the new Accord and Altima/Maxima 3.5s giving
it hell in the performance arena. VW sells the W8 Passat for around $40k, to
much for a VW. But I'm fairly sure that the W8 would fit into the B6 A4. An A4
for $41-42k with Quattro and a 285 Hp version of the W8 (the current version
already makes 270 Hp) would rock the sports-sedan world.

Pete

"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> But I'm fairly sure that the W8 would fit into the B6 A4. An A4
> for $41-42k with Quattro and a 285 Hp version of the W8 (the current
version
> already makes 270 Hp) would rock the sports-sedan world.

Add 10 grand, and you have a 340hp B6 S4. How's that for a sports sedan?


Pete

JP Roberts

I'd rather the 2.7T came back with DSG to prevent lag between gear shifts
Well, how about adaptive air suspension, some aluminum framing and the old
chip to get it to 300HP? It'd perform so much better than the new S4 that it
can't be possible. However, it will come as a big disappointment to me if
Audi drops turbos except for in their RS's, which have consistently been
clearly overpriced - except maybe for the RS6, which is supposed to be a
hell of a car. I mean the RS4's brakes apparently suck for that price range.

If they were only clever enough to fit the DSG into say the 1.8T 190 HP, it
would only take a chip to nearly match a manual 330i's acceleration.

By the way, the DSG can apparently change in 2/10ths of a second. How much
faster is SMG? I seem to remember about half as much in its fastest mode,
though it's way more rough?

JP


"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:20031104162349.06201.00000163@mb-m03.aol.com...
> There's no new engine slated for the A4 at this point in time. There
*should*
> be, but there isn't. The A4 is a fantastic machine, but it gets stomped on
by
> the 3 series and G35 in terms of performance. Audi seems not to care. VW
> doesn't seem to care much either, they're taking their sweet time getting
the
> next gen. Passat togethor despite the new Accord and Altima/Maxima 3.5s
giving
> it hell in the performance arena. VW sells the W8 Passat for around $40k,
to
> much for a VW. But I'm fairly sure that the W8 would fit into the B6 A4.
An A4
> for $41-42k with Quattro and a 285 Hp version of the W8 (the current
version
> already makes 270 Hp) would rock the sports-sedan world.

Alex

SMG-II is around 90ms and DSG around 7-8ms if I remember correctly

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Alexandre
2001 Audi A4 2.8QM
"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'd rather the 2.7T came back with DSG to prevent lag between gear shifts

> Well, how about adaptive air suspension, some aluminum framing and the old
> chip to get it to 300HP? It'd perform so much better than the new S4 that
it
> can't be possible. However, it will come as a big disappointment to me if
> Audi drops turbos except for in their RS's, which have consistently been
> clearly overpriced - except maybe for the RS6, which is supposed to be a
> hell of a car. I mean the RS4's brakes apparently suck for that price
range.
>
> If they were only clever enough to fit the DSG into say the 1.8T 190 HP,
it
> would only take a chip to nearly match a manual 330i's acceleration.
>
> By the way, the DSG can apparently change in 2/10ths of a second. How much
> faster is SMG? I seem to remember about half as much in its fastest mode,
> though it's way more rough?
>
> JP
>
>
> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:20031104162349.06201.00000163@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > There's no new engine slated for the A4 at this point in time. There
> *should*
> > be, but there isn't. The A4 is a fantastic machine, but it gets stomped
on
> by
> > the 3 series and G35 in terms of performance. Audi seems not to care. VW
> > doesn't seem to care much either, they're taking their sweet time
getting
> the
> > next gen. Passat togethor despite the new Accord and Altima/Maxima 3.5s
> giving
> > it hell in the performance arena. VW sells the W8 Passat for around
$40k,
> to
> > much for a VW. But I'm fairly sure that the W8 would fit into the B6 A4.
> An A4
> > for $41-42k with Quattro and a 285 Hp version of the W8 (the current
> version
> > already makes 270 Hp) would rock the sports-sedan world.
>
>

silver30v

Gotta agree about the 280-ish HP. But that would have been enough n the S4.
Of course, if the goal was to beat the M3, then I can see the desire for 340
HP in the S4.

Actually, I thought/expected that the natural progression of the S4 would be
to take the new 3.0 litre engine and add twin-turbo.
The B5 30v had 190 HP, and the twin turbo version (i.e., S4) had 250.
By same logic, starting with the 220 HP in the B6 30v, the addition of twin
turbos would bring it to 280-290 HP.
I'd bet many of the tuner-types would rather have the twin turbo rather than
the V8.

I think there's too much compression across the Audi model line: one can
get esssentially the same 40v V8 in the S8, A8, S6, A6 and now S4. (I know
the more mechanically inclined will argue). The range of HP is 300 to 360,
if memory serves.

I have trouble with an entry-level sports car (I mean entry level inasmuch
as it is the A4 model line, not the A6 or A having a gas guzzler tax.
......
There was some talk on vortex, I believe, about a sport A6 Turbo with 265 vs
250 HP for the final year of the C5 A6 in north america.
At least they are now offering a 6-speed in the A4 1.8T.... too bad for $35k
you still can't get a power passenger seat though....

"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031104162349.06201.00000163@mb-m03.aol.com...
> There's no new engine slated for the A4 at this point in time. There
*should*
> be, but there isn't. The A4 is a fantastic machine, but it gets stomped on
by
> the 3 series and G35 in terms of performance. Audi seems not to care. VW
> doesn't seem to care much either, they're taking their sweet time getting
the
> next gen. Passat togethor despite the new Accord and Altima/Maxima 3.5s
giving
> it hell in the performance arena. VW sells the W8 Passat for around $40k,
to
> much for a VW. But I'm fairly sure that the W8 would fit into the B6 A4.
An A4
> for $41-42k with Quattro and a 285 Hp version of the W8 (the current
version
> already makes 270 Hp) would rock the sports-sedan world.

Steve Grauman

<< Gotta agree about the 280-ish HP. But that would have been enough n the S4.
>>

The plain and simple fact of the matter is that the RS6 seems to be the only
model in Audi's lineup with enough power and composure to be competitive. It
stomps on the M5, but is that really a fair comparison? The M5 was designed to
compete with the S6, which would get it's *** handed to it. The A4 1.8T pales
in comparison to the 325I in a number of ways, same goes for the A4 3.0 Vs.
330i. I won't even bring the G35 into this discussion, which has better skidpad
numbers, better accleration, and more features for less money than either the
Audi or the BMW. The Germans had such a long run of being the best around,
they're incapable of competeing aganist real competition from Japan. I'll be an
Audi fan no matter what, but it's obvious they'll never be the best, they'll
always be second fiddle. Same goes for VW. The people in control just don't
give a damn about being competitive. VW/Audi have over-extended themselves,
buying into Bugatti, Lamborghini, and Bentley took to much money and to much
attention away from the models that really matter. And they're trying to keep
Seat and Skoda afloat at the same time. They need to drop the bullshit and the
brand engineering. SEAT and Skoda need to go away, as do the other three, and
the group needs to focus on worldwide models to sell under the VW and Audi
nameplates. There'd be some serious bitchslapping going on if I were in charge.
Mitsubishi has been neglectful of their models for years, and now nobody gives
a damn, at least here in North America. The only car they make anyone will give
a second look is the Lancer EVO. And it's priced out of it's primary market,
20-25 year old men.

<< I think there's too much compression across the Audi model line: one can
get esssentially the same 40v V8 in the S8, A8, S6, A6 and now S4. (I know
the more mechanically inclined will argue). The range of HP is 300 to 360,
if memory serves. >>

VW also yanked it to be used in the Pheaton and the Toureag. They're not
pulling in enough revenue to design new engines, and they've blown god knows
how many billions on the god for saken Pheaton. A car destined to be ignored by
the masses and fade into history as the worst automotive mistake since the
DeLorean.

daytripper

On 07 Nov 2003 01:49:01 GMT, oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote:
[snipped]
>VW also yanked it to be used in the Pheaton and the Toureag. They're not
>pulling in enough revenue to design new engines, and they've blown god knows
>how many billions on the god for saken Pheaton. A car destined to be ignored by
>the masses and fade into history as the worst automotive mistake since the
>DeLorean.

VW would have to wrestle that award away from GM for the Aztek debacle...