2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
>what they are really concerned about is what other people
>> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the brand's
image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of every
10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car. Audi
lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they can't
sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS models
aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4 and
A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
Steve Grauman
>> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the brand's
image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of every
10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car. Audi
lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they can't
sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS models
aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4 and
A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
Steve Grauman
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
>what they are really concerned about is what other people
>> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the brand's
image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of every
10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car. Audi
lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they can't
sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS models
aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4 and
A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
Steve Grauman
>> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the brand's
image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of every
10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car. Audi
lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they can't
sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS models
aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4 and
A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
Steve Grauman
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
I prefer the Audi's styling and I MUCH prefer it's interior, especially the MMI
interface, to the "5ers" interior and iDrive. However the Audi has been
criticized for somewhat vague steering and an overly stiff suspension, and
would probably not be able to match the 545i in pure dynamics. For me, it would
come down to which I value more: the interior or the "on the edge" performance
capabilities. I'd probably take the A6, because on a day to day basis, I'm not
going to be exploring the performance limits of either car and I'd rather live
with the A6's interior. I do like the E500 though....
Steve Grauman
interface, to the "5ers" interior and iDrive. However the Audi has been
criticized for somewhat vague steering and an overly stiff suspension, and
would probably not be able to match the 545i in pure dynamics. For me, it would
come down to which I value more: the interior or the "on the edge" performance
capabilities. I'd probably take the A6, because on a day to day basis, I'm not
going to be exploring the performance limits of either car and I'd rather live
with the A6's interior. I do like the E500 though....
Steve Grauman
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
I prefer the Audi's styling and I MUCH prefer it's interior, especially the MMI
interface, to the "5ers" interior and iDrive. However the Audi has been
criticized for somewhat vague steering and an overly stiff suspension, and
would probably not be able to match the 545i in pure dynamics. For me, it would
come down to which I value more: the interior or the "on the edge" performance
capabilities. I'd probably take the A6, because on a day to day basis, I'm not
going to be exploring the performance limits of either car and I'd rather live
with the A6's interior. I do like the E500 though....
Steve Grauman
interface, to the "5ers" interior and iDrive. However the Audi has been
criticized for somewhat vague steering and an overly stiff suspension, and
would probably not be able to match the 545i in pure dynamics. For me, it would
come down to which I value more: the interior or the "on the edge" performance
capabilities. I'd probably take the A6, because on a day to day basis, I'm not
going to be exploring the performance limits of either car and I'd rather live
with the A6's interior. I do like the E500 though....
Steve Grauman
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
I prefer the Audi's styling and I MUCH prefer it's interior, especially the MMI
interface, to the "5ers" interior and iDrive. However the Audi has been
criticized for somewhat vague steering and an overly stiff suspension, and
would probably not be able to match the 545i in pure dynamics. For me, it would
come down to which I value more: the interior or the "on the edge" performance
capabilities. I'd probably take the A6, because on a day to day basis, I'm not
going to be exploring the performance limits of either car and I'd rather live
with the A6's interior. I do like the E500 though....
Steve Grauman
interface, to the "5ers" interior and iDrive. However the Audi has been
criticized for somewhat vague steering and an overly stiff suspension, and
would probably not be able to match the 545i in pure dynamics. For me, it would
come down to which I value more: the interior or the "on the edge" performance
capabilities. I'd probably take the A6, because on a day to day basis, I'm not
going to be exploring the performance limits of either car and I'd rather live
with the A6's interior. I do like the E500 though....
Steve Grauman
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >what they are really concerned about is what other people
> >> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
>
> BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the
brand's
> image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of
every
> 10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car.
Audi
> lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they
can't
> sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS
models
> aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4
and
> A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
I don't disagree with you. 9 of 10 car buyers of ALL brands are likely
influenced by brand imagery to some extent -- whether it be "youthful
hipness" (Scion), "practicality" (Honda), "staid sophistication" (Mercedes),
or what have you. But that isn't to say that design doesn't count, or that
aesthetics are somehow above criticism.
Just look at Cadillac. At one time Cadillacs were considered by many to
be the very best that the automotive world had to offer -- the best
sheetmetal, the best drivetrains, the most luxurious interiors, etc. (hence
the phrase, "it's the Cadillac of......"). But then, gradually (while many
loyalists/apologists surely continued defending them), the design elements
slid downhill to a point where a large segment of the public no longer liked
the cars. So consumers were left to make a choice: do I buy a "legendary"
brand that I no longer like, or do I buy something less legendary that
appeals more to my senses? And the historical numbers clearly point that
most potential buyers eventually chose the second option. However --
surprise surprise! -- as soon as Cadillac introduced a crop of new designs
that people liked (Escalade, CTS, etc.), sales came back with a vengeance.
Do I think that means that BMW's are going to slide the way Cadillac's
did during the 70's and 80's? Not necessarily. But history shows (via
Cadillac, Nissan, Mazda, Chrysler and dozens of once stylish, but now
defunct brands) that ignoring consumers' wants/tastes and relying instead on
imagery to sell cars is not a viable long-term recipe for success.
Rob
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >what they are really concerned about is what other people
> >> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
>
> BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the
brand's
> image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of
every
> 10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car.
Audi
> lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they
can't
> sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS
models
> aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4
and
> A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
I don't disagree with you. 9 of 10 car buyers of ALL brands are likely
influenced by brand imagery to some extent -- whether it be "youthful
hipness" (Scion), "practicality" (Honda), "staid sophistication" (Mercedes),
or what have you. But that isn't to say that design doesn't count, or that
aesthetics are somehow above criticism.
Just look at Cadillac. At one time Cadillacs were considered by many to
be the very best that the automotive world had to offer -- the best
sheetmetal, the best drivetrains, the most luxurious interiors, etc. (hence
the phrase, "it's the Cadillac of......"). But then, gradually (while many
loyalists/apologists surely continued defending them), the design elements
slid downhill to a point where a large segment of the public no longer liked
the cars. So consumers were left to make a choice: do I buy a "legendary"
brand that I no longer like, or do I buy something less legendary that
appeals more to my senses? And the historical numbers clearly point that
most potential buyers eventually chose the second option. However --
surprise surprise! -- as soon as Cadillac introduced a crop of new designs
that people liked (Escalade, CTS, etc.), sales came back with a vengeance.
Do I think that means that BMW's are going to slide the way Cadillac's
did during the 70's and 80's? Not necessarily. But history shows (via
Cadillac, Nissan, Mazda, Chrysler and dozens of once stylish, but now
defunct brands) that ignoring consumers' wants/tastes and relying instead on
imagery to sell cars is not a viable long-term recipe for success.
Rob
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041206021128.14229.00001526@mb-m13.aol.com...
> >what they are really concerned about is what other people
> >> will think about the car when they drive by in it.
>
> BMW's yealry sales in North America are built almost entirely on the
brand's
> image. Break 1,000 BMW owners into groups of 10 and I bet that 9 out of
every
> 10 of them will tell you that brand image helped sell them on the car.
Audi
> lacks the image and recognition of BMW and that's a big part of why they
can't
> sell as many cars. It also doesn't help that the average Audi (S and RS
models
> aside) can't hold a candle to the capabiltities of the average BMW. The A4
and
> A6 simply cannot match the overall dynamics of the 3 and 5-series models.
I don't disagree with you. 9 of 10 car buyers of ALL brands are likely
influenced by brand imagery to some extent -- whether it be "youthful
hipness" (Scion), "practicality" (Honda), "staid sophistication" (Mercedes),
or what have you. But that isn't to say that design doesn't count, or that
aesthetics are somehow above criticism.
Just look at Cadillac. At one time Cadillacs were considered by many to
be the very best that the automotive world had to offer -- the best
sheetmetal, the best drivetrains, the most luxurious interiors, etc. (hence
the phrase, "it's the Cadillac of......"). But then, gradually (while many
loyalists/apologists surely continued defending them), the design elements
slid downhill to a point where a large segment of the public no longer liked
the cars. So consumers were left to make a choice: do I buy a "legendary"
brand that I no longer like, or do I buy something less legendary that
appeals more to my senses? And the historical numbers clearly point that
most potential buyers eventually chose the second option. However --
surprise surprise! -- as soon as Cadillac introduced a crop of new designs
that people liked (Escalade, CTS, etc.), sales came back with a vengeance.
Do I think that means that BMW's are going to slide the way Cadillac's
did during the 70's and 80's? Not necessarily. But history shows (via
Cadillac, Nissan, Mazda, Chrysler and dozens of once stylish, but now
defunct brands) that ignoring consumers' wants/tastes and relying instead on
imagery to sell cars is not a viable long-term recipe for success.
Rob
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
In a previous posting, charlieg@ic.sunysb.edu (Charlie
Giannetto) had the audacity to say:
:The lack of a
:speed limiter isn't really an issue since the speed (even at 155)
:is still well beyond any legally acceptable level on any public road
:in the US.
True, but then so is 95 mph! :}
:155 is something that the European community has agreed
n I believe
I understand it's just a gentleman's agreement between certain
German mfrs. Porsche is not coöperating! :}
--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy
Giannetto) had the audacity to say:
:The lack of a
:speed limiter isn't really an issue since the speed (even at 155)
:is still well beyond any legally acceptable level on any public road
:in the US.
True, but then so is 95 mph! :}
:155 is something that the European community has agreed
n I believe
I understand it's just a gentleman's agreement between certain
German mfrs. Porsche is not coöperating! :}
--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy
#60
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Re: 2005 545i vs 2005 A6 4.2
In a previous posting, charlieg@ic.sunysb.edu (Charlie
Giannetto) had the audacity to say:
:The lack of a
:speed limiter isn't really an issue since the speed (even at 155)
:is still well beyond any legally acceptable level on any public road
:in the US.
True, but then so is 95 mph! :}
:155 is something that the European community has agreed
n I believe
I understand it's just a gentleman's agreement between certain
German mfrs. Porsche is not coöperating! :}
--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy
Giannetto) had the audacity to say:
:The lack of a
:speed limiter isn't really an issue since the speed (even at 155)
:is still well beyond any legally acceptable level on any public road
:in the US.
True, but then so is 95 mph! :}
:155 is something that the European community has agreed
n I believe
I understand it's just a gentleman's agreement between certain
German mfrs. Porsche is not coöperating! :}
--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy