1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
#11
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
>From: Marti gj3@here.com
>
>
>I am speculating there may not be any valve damage.
>
>Looking at my old Bentley Official Factory Repair manual,
>there doesn't seem to any specific instructions as to
>"how-to-do the timing belt replacement on this old
>1987 Audi 5000. (BTW, still drives like a new car)
>
>Any thought on finding some instructions on the internet,
>and/or a better manual?
>
hmmm
there should be good instructions in the engine section of your Bentley.
I believe the hardest part for most is getting the Crank Sprocket/Pulley off
and back on correctly. If it is installed loosely then it will damage the
sprocket and the crank in time.
You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then use a
breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that looks
like a bent screwdriver.
There should be just two points to align for the timing, Cam and Crank. I
check the '0' position of the crank by removing the #1 spark plug. I think the
Cam sprocket has a mark on it that aligns with the left side of the valve cover
surface of the cylinder head.
Waterpump adjusts the tension. Most places will change this too, but it is up
to you. The waterpump or gasket may leak if it is disturbed though! There are
1 or 2 ways to install the belt without disturbing the waterpump.
Replacing the idler bearing (or whatever it is called) is a good idea too. It
is your call as to how elaborate you get with this job.
And I am not sure you wish to change the front crank seal or camshaft seal too.
just a quick search on google found me this:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/tbwp.htm
Now have fun!!!
later,
dave
Reminder........
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way,
when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you have their
shoes. Frieda Norris
>
>
>I am speculating there may not be any valve damage.
>
>Looking at my old Bentley Official Factory Repair manual,
>there doesn't seem to any specific instructions as to
>"how-to-do the timing belt replacement on this old
>1987 Audi 5000. (BTW, still drives like a new car)
>
>Any thought on finding some instructions on the internet,
>and/or a better manual?
>
hmmm
there should be good instructions in the engine section of your Bentley.
I believe the hardest part for most is getting the Crank Sprocket/Pulley off
and back on correctly. If it is installed loosely then it will damage the
sprocket and the crank in time.
You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then use a
breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that looks
like a bent screwdriver.
There should be just two points to align for the timing, Cam and Crank. I
check the '0' position of the crank by removing the #1 spark plug. I think the
Cam sprocket has a mark on it that aligns with the left side of the valve cover
surface of the cylinder head.
Waterpump adjusts the tension. Most places will change this too, but it is up
to you. The waterpump or gasket may leak if it is disturbed though! There are
1 or 2 ways to install the belt without disturbing the waterpump.
Replacing the idler bearing (or whatever it is called) is a good idea too. It
is your call as to how elaborate you get with this job.
And I am not sure you wish to change the front crank seal or camshaft seal too.
just a quick search on google found me this:
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/
http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/tbwp.htm
Now have fun!!!
later,
dave
Reminder........
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way,
when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you have their
shoes. Frieda Norris
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On 01 Oct 2004 02:18:55 GMT, vwdoc1@aol.comANTISPAM (dave) wrote:
>>From: Marti gj3@here.com
>>
>>
>>I am speculating there may not be any valve damage.
>>
>>Looking at my old Bentley Official Factory Repair manual,
>>there doesn't seem to any specific instructions as to
>>"how-to-do the timing belt replacement on this old
>>1987 Audi 5000. (BTW, still drives like a new car)
>>
>>Any thought on finding some instructions on the internet,
>>and/or a better manual?
>>
>
>hmmm
>there should be good instructions in the engine section of your Bentley.
>
>I believe the hardest part for most is getting the Crank Sprocket/Pulley off
>and back on correctly. If it is installed loosely then it will damage the
>sprocket and the crank in time.
>
>You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then use a
>breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that looks
>like a bent screwdriver.
>
>There should be just two points to align for the timing, Cam and Crank. I
>check the '0' position of the crank by removing the #1 spark plug. I think the
>Cam sprocket has a mark on it that aligns with the left side of the valve cover
>surface of the cylinder head.
To get the cam sprocket off, I've found that putting a large
screwdriver through one of the sprocket slots and then through the
engine lifting eye will hold it enough to unbolt it.
>>From: Marti gj3@here.com
>>
>>
>>I am speculating there may not be any valve damage.
>>
>>Looking at my old Bentley Official Factory Repair manual,
>>there doesn't seem to any specific instructions as to
>>"how-to-do the timing belt replacement on this old
>>1987 Audi 5000. (BTW, still drives like a new car)
>>
>>Any thought on finding some instructions on the internet,
>>and/or a better manual?
>>
>
>hmmm
>there should be good instructions in the engine section of your Bentley.
>
>I believe the hardest part for most is getting the Crank Sprocket/Pulley off
>and back on correctly. If it is installed loosely then it will damage the
>sprocket and the crank in time.
>
>You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then use a
>breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that looks
>like a bent screwdriver.
>
>There should be just two points to align for the timing, Cam and Crank. I
>check the '0' position of the crank by removing the #1 spark plug. I think the
>Cam sprocket has a mark on it that aligns with the left side of the valve cover
>surface of the cylinder head.
To get the cam sprocket off, I've found that putting a large
screwdriver through one of the sprocket slots and then through the
engine lifting eye will hold it enough to unbolt it.
#13
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On 01 Oct 2004 02:18:55 GMT, vwdoc1@aol.comANTISPAM (dave) wrote:
>>From: Marti gj3@here.com
>>
>>
>>I am speculating there may not be any valve damage.
>>
>>Looking at my old Bentley Official Factory Repair manual,
>>there doesn't seem to any specific instructions as to
>>"how-to-do the timing belt replacement on this old
>>1987 Audi 5000. (BTW, still drives like a new car)
>>
>>Any thought on finding some instructions on the internet,
>>and/or a better manual?
>>
>
>hmmm
>there should be good instructions in the engine section of your Bentley.
>
>I believe the hardest part for most is getting the Crank Sprocket/Pulley off
>and back on correctly. If it is installed loosely then it will damage the
>sprocket and the crank in time.
>
>You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then use a
>breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that looks
>like a bent screwdriver.
>
>There should be just two points to align for the timing, Cam and Crank. I
>check the '0' position of the crank by removing the #1 spark plug. I think the
>Cam sprocket has a mark on it that aligns with the left side of the valve cover
>surface of the cylinder head.
To get the cam sprocket off, I've found that putting a large
screwdriver through one of the sprocket slots and then through the
engine lifting eye will hold it enough to unbolt it.
>>From: Marti gj3@here.com
>>
>>
>>I am speculating there may not be any valve damage.
>>
>>Looking at my old Bentley Official Factory Repair manual,
>>there doesn't seem to any specific instructions as to
>>"how-to-do the timing belt replacement on this old
>>1987 Audi 5000. (BTW, still drives like a new car)
>>
>>Any thought on finding some instructions on the internet,
>>and/or a better manual?
>>
>
>hmmm
>there should be good instructions in the engine section of your Bentley.
>
>I believe the hardest part for most is getting the Crank Sprocket/Pulley off
>and back on correctly. If it is installed loosely then it will damage the
>sprocket and the crank in time.
>
>You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then use a
>breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that looks
>like a bent screwdriver.
>
>There should be just two points to align for the timing, Cam and Crank. I
>check the '0' position of the crank by removing the #1 spark plug. I think the
>Cam sprocket has a mark on it that aligns with the left side of the valve cover
>surface of the cylinder head.
To get the cam sprocket off, I've found that putting a large
screwdriver through one of the sprocket slots and then through the
engine lifting eye will hold it enough to unbolt it.
#14
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
"dave" <vwdoc1@aol.comANTISPAM> wrote
news:20040930221855.16740.00001358@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then
use a
> breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that
looks
> like a bent screwdriver.
>
You can also lock it by putting a large screwdriver in a hole at the edge of
the driveplate/flywheel. There is somewhere a hole at the bottom side in the
gearbox housing where you can put the scewdriver through. Worked fine for
me.
Al
news:20040930221855.16740.00001358@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then
use a
> breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that
looks
> like a bent screwdriver.
>
You can also lock it by putting a large screwdriver in a hole at the edge of
the driveplate/flywheel. There is somewhere a hole at the bottom side in the
gearbox housing where you can put the scewdriver through. Worked fine for
me.
Al
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
"dave" <vwdoc1@aol.comANTISPAM> wrote
news:20040930221855.16740.00001358@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then
use a
> breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that
looks
> like a bent screwdriver.
>
You can also lock it by putting a large screwdriver in a hole at the edge of
the driveplate/flywheel. There is somewhere a hole at the bottom side in the
gearbox housing where you can put the scewdriver through. Worked fine for
me.
Al
news:20040930221855.16740.00001358@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> You can use a tool to lock the driveplate/flywheel from turning and then
use a
> breaker bar to deal with the Crank bolt. I have used a brake tool that
looks
> like a bent screwdriver.
>
You can also lock it by putting a large screwdriver in a hole at the edge of
the driveplate/flywheel. There is somewhere a hole at the bottom side in the
gearbox housing where you can put the scewdriver through. Worked fine for
me.
Al
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:34 GMT, Marti <gj3@here.com> wrote:
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
,
Thank You all
for the nice tips!
Fortunately, I have enough time
and will start the disassemble.
I guess the big moment comes,
when you start the engine after
the work...
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
,
Thank You all
for the nice tips!
Fortunately, I have enough time
and will start the disassemble.
I guess the big moment comes,
when you start the engine after
the work...
#17
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:34 GMT, Marti <gj3@here.com> wrote:
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
,
Thank You all
for the nice tips!
Fortunately, I have enough time
and will start the disassemble.
I guess the big moment comes,
when you start the engine after
the work...
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
,
Thank You all
for the nice tips!
Fortunately, I have enough time
and will start the disassemble.
I guess the big moment comes,
when you start the engine after
the work...
#18
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:34 GMT, Marti <gj3@here.com> wrote:
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
Re: What size sockets to use:
From "Harborfreight" here in San Diego,
I just bot a 21 Piece 3/4 Metric Heavy Duty Socket set including:
1 Steel Storage Case
1 19 1/2" heat treated steel ratched
1 18" sliding T-Bar
4" and 8" extensions
Chrome plated Socket Sizes (Metric)
19,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,34,36,38,41,42,45,46,48,50 mm
(made in China)
Thought I post this, in case somebody else is
looking for a similar deal.
Thanks to all for all the input!
marti-
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
Re: What size sockets to use:
From "Harborfreight" here in San Diego,
I just bot a 21 Piece 3/4 Metric Heavy Duty Socket set including:
1 Steel Storage Case
1 19 1/2" heat treated steel ratched
1 18" sliding T-Bar
4" and 8" extensions
Chrome plated Socket Sizes (Metric)
19,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,34,36,38,41,42,45,46,48,50 mm
(made in China)
Thought I post this, in case somebody else is
looking for a similar deal.
Thanks to all for all the input!
marti-
#19
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:34 GMT, Marti <gj3@here.com> wrote:
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
Re: What size sockets to use:
From "Harborfreight" here in San Diego,
I just bot a 21 Piece 3/4 Metric Heavy Duty Socket set including:
1 Steel Storage Case
1 19 1/2" heat treated steel ratched
1 18" sliding T-Bar
4" and 8" extensions
Chrome plated Socket Sizes (Metric)
19,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,34,36,38,41,42,45,46,48,50 mm
(made in China)
Thought I post this, in case somebody else is
looking for a similar deal.
Thanks to all for all the input!
marti-
>I think it finally happened:
>
>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>whatsoever!
>
>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>
>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>
>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>
>Question I have:
>
>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
Re: What size sockets to use:
From "Harborfreight" here in San Diego,
I just bot a 21 Piece 3/4 Metric Heavy Duty Socket set including:
1 Steel Storage Case
1 19 1/2" heat treated steel ratched
1 18" sliding T-Bar
4" and 8" extensions
Chrome plated Socket Sizes (Metric)
19,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,34,36,38,41,42,45,46,48,50 mm
(made in China)
Thought I post this, in case somebody else is
looking for a similar deal.
Thanks to all for all the input!
marti-
#20
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Re: 1987 Audi 5000 Timing Belt
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:44:57 GMT, marti <Marti <gj3@here.com>> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:34 GMT, Marti <gj3@here.com> wrote:
>
>>I think it finally happened:
>>
>>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>>whatsoever!
>>
>>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>>
>>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>>
>>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>>
>>Question I have:
>>
>>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>
>Re: What size sockets to use:
>
>From "Harborfreight" here in San Diego,
>I just bot a 21 Piece 3/4 Metric Heavy Duty Socket set including:
>1 Steel Storage Case
>1 19 1/2" heat treated steel ratched
>1 18" sliding T-Bar
>4" and 8" extensions
>
>Chrome plated Socket Sizes (Metric)
>
>19,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,34,36,38,41,42,45,46,48,5 0mm
>(made in China)
>
>Thought I post this, in case somebody else is
>looking for a similar deal.
>
>Thanks to all for all the input!
>marti-
sorry, forgot to mention the price:
it was $34.99
>On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:34 GMT, Marti <gj3@here.com> wrote:
>
>>I think it finally happened:
>>
>>While driving, the engine suddenly stopped without any warning
>>whatsoever!
>>
>>And the engine did not restart, slow turnover,
>>sounded like a battery getting weak.
>>
>>The camshaft does not turn anymore.
>>
>>So, it looks like a broken timing belt.
>>
>>Question I have:
>>
>>On this 5 cylinder engine, what is the likelyhood of any collateral
>>damage to the engine, valvetrain etc?
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>
>Re: What size sockets to use:
>
>From "Harborfreight" here in San Diego,
>I just bot a 21 Piece 3/4 Metric Heavy Duty Socket set including:
>1 Steel Storage Case
>1 19 1/2" heat treated steel ratched
>1 18" sliding T-Bar
>4" and 8" extensions
>
>Chrome plated Socket Sizes (Metric)
>
>19,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,34,36,38,41,42,45,46,48,5 0mm
>(made in China)
>
>Thought I post this, in case somebody else is
>looking for a similar deal.
>
>Thanks to all for all the input!
>marti-
sorry, forgot to mention the price:
it was $34.99