1.8T Oil issue -- cost
#21
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
In article <d72dc68b.0409071025.3e904de6@posting.google.com >,
Libby <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart.
Strange, I just saw a bottle of Valvoline Synpower 5W-40 with the
VW 502.00 rating for US$4.59 per quart. Next to it were bottles
of Mobil 1 0W-40 with the VW 502.00 rating for US$4.99 per quart.
And some web stores (and VW dealers) sell Castrol Syntec 5W-40 with
the VW 502.00 rating (that VW dealers are supposed to use) for a
lot less than US$12.75 per quart.
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Libby <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart.
Strange, I just saw a bottle of Valvoline Synpower 5W-40 with the
VW 502.00 rating for US$4.59 per quart. Next to it were bottles
of Mobil 1 0W-40 with the VW 502.00 rating for US$4.99 per quart.
And some web stores (and VW dealers) sell Castrol Syntec 5W-40 with
the VW 502.00 rating (that VW dealers are supposed to use) for a
lot less than US$12.75 per quart.
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Timothy J. Lee
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby wrote:
> Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message news:<10jqa17k5pj3f83@news.supernews.com>...
>
>>Why does the fact that the problem is being addressed *now* mean that
>>you shouldn't pay for it? Suppose the current oil requirements had been
>>in place when you bought the car. Would you have expected not to pay
>>for your oil changes then?
>
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> *additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart. You've
> made up a scenario different than what's actually happening *now* --
> it would be silly to waste time discussing suppositions.
>
> Peter Cressman <pcressma@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message news:<Pqc%c.2614$_q.1971@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com>...
>
>>Is this a new notice that VW recently issued?? Our New Beetle is a 1.8T
>>and I haven't gotten a notice from VW regarding synthetic oil...granted,
>>I've used Mobil 1 since the 8K service...but I'm just being nosy.
>
>
> The notices were sent in early August. FYI -- Mobil 1 0W-40 does not
> meet the new requirements. It meets VW505.00, not the new 505.01
> requirements.
>
>
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<OY9%c.321231$M95.75857@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>It's my understanding that synthetic oil doesn't need to be changed as
>>often.
>>When did the dealer tell you to come back for the next oil change?
>
>
> To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
Well, from what I understand, the 505.01 is only applicable to the
TDI-PD, and NOT the other gasoline engines. I have the notice from VW
infront of me as I type this, and it only says that the 505.01 is
required for the TDI-PD.
> Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message news:<10jqa17k5pj3f83@news.supernews.com>...
>
>>Why does the fact that the problem is being addressed *now* mean that
>>you shouldn't pay for it? Suppose the current oil requirements had been
>>in place when you bought the car. Would you have expected not to pay
>>for your oil changes then?
>
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> *additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart. You've
> made up a scenario different than what's actually happening *now* --
> it would be silly to waste time discussing suppositions.
>
> Peter Cressman <pcressma@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message news:<Pqc%c.2614$_q.1971@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com>...
>
>>Is this a new notice that VW recently issued?? Our New Beetle is a 1.8T
>>and I haven't gotten a notice from VW regarding synthetic oil...granted,
>>I've used Mobil 1 since the 8K service...but I'm just being nosy.
>
>
> The notices were sent in early August. FYI -- Mobil 1 0W-40 does not
> meet the new requirements. It meets VW505.00, not the new 505.01
> requirements.
>
>
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<OY9%c.321231$M95.75857@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>It's my understanding that synthetic oil doesn't need to be changed as
>>often.
>>When did the dealer tell you to come back for the next oil change?
>
>
> To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
Well, from what I understand, the 505.01 is only applicable to the
TDI-PD, and NOT the other gasoline engines. I have the notice from VW
infront of me as I type this, and it only says that the 505.01 is
required for the TDI-PD.
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby wrote:
> Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message news:<10jqa17k5pj3f83@news.supernews.com>...
>
>>Why does the fact that the problem is being addressed *now* mean that
>>you shouldn't pay for it? Suppose the current oil requirements had been
>>in place when you bought the car. Would you have expected not to pay
>>for your oil changes then?
>
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> *additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart. You've
> made up a scenario different than what's actually happening *now* --
> it would be silly to waste time discussing suppositions.
>
> Peter Cressman <pcressma@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message news:<Pqc%c.2614$_q.1971@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com>...
>
>>Is this a new notice that VW recently issued?? Our New Beetle is a 1.8T
>>and I haven't gotten a notice from VW regarding synthetic oil...granted,
>>I've used Mobil 1 since the 8K service...but I'm just being nosy.
>
>
> The notices were sent in early August. FYI -- Mobil 1 0W-40 does not
> meet the new requirements. It meets VW505.00, not the new 505.01
> requirements.
>
>
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<OY9%c.321231$M95.75857@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>It's my understanding that synthetic oil doesn't need to be changed as
>>often.
>>When did the dealer tell you to come back for the next oil change?
>
>
> To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
Well, from what I understand, the 505.01 is only applicable to the
TDI-PD, and NOT the other gasoline engines. I have the notice from VW
infront of me as I type this, and it only says that the 505.01 is
required for the TDI-PD.
> Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message news:<10jqa17k5pj3f83@news.supernews.com>...
>
>>Why does the fact that the problem is being addressed *now* mean that
>>you shouldn't pay for it? Suppose the current oil requirements had been
>>in place when you bought the car. Would you have expected not to pay
>>for your oil changes then?
>
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> *additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart. You've
> made up a scenario different than what's actually happening *now* --
> it would be silly to waste time discussing suppositions.
>
> Peter Cressman <pcressma@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message news:<Pqc%c.2614$_q.1971@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com>...
>
>>Is this a new notice that VW recently issued?? Our New Beetle is a 1.8T
>>and I haven't gotten a notice from VW regarding synthetic oil...granted,
>>I've used Mobil 1 since the 8K service...but I'm just being nosy.
>
>
> The notices were sent in early August. FYI -- Mobil 1 0W-40 does not
> meet the new requirements. It meets VW505.00, not the new 505.01
> requirements.
>
>
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<OY9%c.321231$M95.75857@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>It's my understanding that synthetic oil doesn't need to be changed as
>>often.
>>When did the dealer tell you to come back for the next oil change?
>
>
> To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
Well, from what I understand, the 505.01 is only applicable to the
TDI-PD, and NOT the other gasoline engines. I have the notice from VW
infront of me as I type this, and it only says that the 505.01 is
required for the TDI-PD.
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:58:51 -0400, "Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX>
wrote:
>Let's see at our shop the 1.8t oil change with regular oil is $35 and with
>VW's synthetic it's $50. The VW oil has a list price of $5 per quart so your
>dealer shouldn't be charging any more than that, if they are bring your own
>oil in or shop elsewhere. I bet most of us waste more money on beer each
>year.
lol
more like each month - if not each week
wrote:
>Let's see at our shop the 1.8t oil change with regular oil is $35 and with
>VW's synthetic it's $50. The VW oil has a list price of $5 per quart so your
>dealer shouldn't be charging any more than that, if they are bring your own
>oil in or shop elsewhere. I bet most of us waste more money on beer each
>year.
lol
more like each month - if not each week
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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:58:51 -0400, "Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX>
wrote:
>Let's see at our shop the 1.8t oil change with regular oil is $35 and with
>VW's synthetic it's $50. The VW oil has a list price of $5 per quart so your
>dealer shouldn't be charging any more than that, if they are bring your own
>oil in or shop elsewhere. I bet most of us waste more money on beer each
>year.
lol
more like each month - if not each week
wrote:
>Let's see at our shop the 1.8t oil change with regular oil is $35 and with
>VW's synthetic it's $50. The VW oil has a list price of $5 per quart so your
>dealer shouldn't be charging any more than that, if they are bring your own
>oil in or shop elsewhere. I bet most of us waste more money on beer each
>year.
lol
more like each month - if not each week
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
First, if you post the text of this notice from VW, that may be helpful, but
I do believe that much of the following information should still apply
Consider why synthetic oil is being recommended. Turbo-charged engines are
capable of producing much higher temperatures than naturally aspirated
engines, but is your driving style also conducive to higher engine
temperatures? If you are spending most of your time on the highway, it may
not be so important to use synthetic oil year-round.
Ask your dealership which oil they usually use. I have had my own Audi
dealer tell me that they use a regular motor oil for most oil changes,
unless synthetic oil is requested by the owner. This was on a 2000 Audi S4,
where the manual explicitly states that only synthetic oil should be used.
Does the use of synthetic oil also increase the interval between oil
changes? Remember, oil technically only needs to be changed when it is dirty
or begins to break down (loss of multi-viscosity property). This break-down
results in "sludginess", and also causes gum and varnish to form (hence the
darker color of "old" oil). Of course, color is not the best judge of when
to change motor oil either. I have found that the best test is to place a
single drop of the current oil on a flat paper towel or napkin, and see how
the oil s. This will show the content of the oil (dirt) and color.
Once you find a ballpark figure on how often you need to change your oil
now, you can usually use that each time. Never hurts to check it, of course.
Hope this helps. Also hope that none of this is wrong information. If it is,
please do correct it.
I do believe that much of the following information should still apply
Consider why synthetic oil is being recommended. Turbo-charged engines are
capable of producing much higher temperatures than naturally aspirated
engines, but is your driving style also conducive to higher engine
temperatures? If you are spending most of your time on the highway, it may
not be so important to use synthetic oil year-round.
Ask your dealership which oil they usually use. I have had my own Audi
dealer tell me that they use a regular motor oil for most oil changes,
unless synthetic oil is requested by the owner. This was on a 2000 Audi S4,
where the manual explicitly states that only synthetic oil should be used.
Does the use of synthetic oil also increase the interval between oil
changes? Remember, oil technically only needs to be changed when it is dirty
or begins to break down (loss of multi-viscosity property). This break-down
results in "sludginess", and also causes gum and varnish to form (hence the
darker color of "old" oil). Of course, color is not the best judge of when
to change motor oil either. I have found that the best test is to place a
single drop of the current oil on a flat paper towel or napkin, and see how
the oil s. This will show the content of the oil (dirt) and color.
Once you find a ballpark figure on how often you need to change your oil
now, you can usually use that each time. Never hurts to check it, of course.
Hope this helps. Also hope that none of this is wrong information. If it is,
please do correct it.
#27
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
First, if you post the text of this notice from VW, that may be helpful, but
I do believe that much of the following information should still apply
Consider why synthetic oil is being recommended. Turbo-charged engines are
capable of producing much higher temperatures than naturally aspirated
engines, but is your driving style also conducive to higher engine
temperatures? If you are spending most of your time on the highway, it may
not be so important to use synthetic oil year-round.
Ask your dealership which oil they usually use. I have had my own Audi
dealer tell me that they use a regular motor oil for most oil changes,
unless synthetic oil is requested by the owner. This was on a 2000 Audi S4,
where the manual explicitly states that only synthetic oil should be used.
Does the use of synthetic oil also increase the interval between oil
changes? Remember, oil technically only needs to be changed when it is dirty
or begins to break down (loss of multi-viscosity property). This break-down
results in "sludginess", and also causes gum and varnish to form (hence the
darker color of "old" oil). Of course, color is not the best judge of when
to change motor oil either. I have found that the best test is to place a
single drop of the current oil on a flat paper towel or napkin, and see how
the oil s. This will show the content of the oil (dirt) and color.
Once you find a ballpark figure on how often you need to change your oil
now, you can usually use that each time. Never hurts to check it, of course.
Hope this helps. Also hope that none of this is wrong information. If it is,
please do correct it.
I do believe that much of the following information should still apply
Consider why synthetic oil is being recommended. Turbo-charged engines are
capable of producing much higher temperatures than naturally aspirated
engines, but is your driving style also conducive to higher engine
temperatures? If you are spending most of your time on the highway, it may
not be so important to use synthetic oil year-round.
Ask your dealership which oil they usually use. I have had my own Audi
dealer tell me that they use a regular motor oil for most oil changes,
unless synthetic oil is requested by the owner. This was on a 2000 Audi S4,
where the manual explicitly states that only synthetic oil should be used.
Does the use of synthetic oil also increase the interval between oil
changes? Remember, oil technically only needs to be changed when it is dirty
or begins to break down (loss of multi-viscosity property). This break-down
results in "sludginess", and also causes gum and varnish to form (hence the
darker color of "old" oil). Of course, color is not the best judge of when
to change motor oil either. I have found that the best test is to place a
single drop of the current oil on a flat paper towel or napkin, and see how
the oil s. This will show the content of the oil (dirt) and color.
Once you find a ballpark figure on how often you need to change your oil
now, you can usually use that each time. Never hurts to check it, of course.
Hope this helps. Also hope that none of this is wrong information. If it is,
please do correct it.
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
In article <d72dc68b.0409061844.1fd10f28@posting.google.com >,
libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
> I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
>
> Needless to say, I'm a little ticked.
So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
missing something here ...
sd
libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
> I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
>
> Needless to say, I'm a little ticked.
So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
missing something here ...
sd
#29
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
In article <d72dc68b.0409061844.1fd10f28@posting.google.com >,
libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
> I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
>
> Needless to say, I'm a little ticked.
So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
missing something here ...
sd
libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
> I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
>
> Needless to say, I'm a little ticked.
So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
missing something here ...
sd
#30
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby wrote:
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase.
Did you seriously know that? Did you ask the dealer what kind of oil
was required? If you did know then that synth was required (as if I'd
ever put anything other than synth in a new car anyway), would you have
walked away?
--
Mike Smith
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase.
Did you seriously know that? Did you ask the dealer what kind of oil
was required? If you did know then that synth was required (as if I'd
ever put anything other than synth in a new car anyway), would you have
walked away?
--
Mike Smith