$74,000
05-16-2004, 03:28 AM
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Re: $74,000
In article <ad68da8c.0405151812.3898014c@posting.google.com >, Avantium
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>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>honest mistake
Sorry about that.
>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
Yeah, my comments were somewhat tongue-in-cheek. The comment was made
that since the S-class had a V12 available and the A8 did not, then it
must be a better car. I was simply responding to this by saying the A8
has a W12 available/coming, so does this make it a better car than the
Merc?
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Toby
<avantium@munich.com> writes
>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>honest mistake
Sorry about that.
>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
Yeah, my comments were somewhat tongue-in-cheek. The comment was made
that since the S-class had a V12 available and the A8 did not, then it
must be a better car. I was simply responding to this by saying the A8
has a W12 available/coming, so does this make it a better car than the
Merc?
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05-17-2004, 02:29 AM
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Re: $74,000
"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500,
> I see why VW/Audi is in trouble.
Wow that's a frigging BARGAIN!! In the Netherlands they go for
the equivalent of US$201k.. but than again you yanks get every
car virtually for free so maybe $74k is considered expensive
over there...
> a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500,
> I see why VW/Audi is in trouble.
Wow that's a frigging BARGAIN!! In the Netherlands they go for
the equivalent of US$201k.. but than again you yanks get every
car virtually for free so maybe $74k is considered expensive
over there...
05-20-2004, 04:21 PM
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Re: $74,000
Avantium wrote:
>
> [kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
"Big and piggish"? The whole point of the W design is its compactness -
it's only about as long as a V8.
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>
> [kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
"Big and piggish"? The whole point of the W design is its compactness -
it's only about as long as a V8.
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05-28-2004, 07:03 PM
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Re: $74,000
"Avantium" <avantium@munich.com> wrote in message
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> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
> > news:83GskvAJTSnAFwGc@iconia.org.uk...
> > > In article <409d0529$0$73098$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Tha Ghee
> > > <grewatson@yahoo.com> writes
> > > >"Randy S" <mikado95@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:20040503130537.11380.00000834@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > > >> >a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, then again the A8 compares to the S-class, not the
E-class.
> > Compare the A6 to the E-class to be fair...
> > > >>
> > > >> Randy
> > > >
> > > >but the A-8 has no V-12 so how can it compare to the S-class??
> > >
> > > You mean the S-Class has no W-16, so how can it compare to the A-8?
> > > --
> > > Toby
> >
> > the A8 doesn't have a W-16 here, only the V-8
>
> the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
> it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
> honest mistake
>
> [kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
you do realize that a W-12 will never be as smooth as a V-12
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> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
> > news:83GskvAJTSnAFwGc@iconia.org.uk...
> > > In article <409d0529$0$73098$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Tha Ghee
> > > <grewatson@yahoo.com> writes
> > > >"Randy S" <mikado95@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:20040503130537.11380.00000834@mb-m18.aol.com...
> > > >> >a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, then again the A8 compares to the S-class, not the
E-class.
> > Compare the A6 to the E-class to be fair...
> > > >>
> > > >> Randy
> > > >
> > > >but the A-8 has no V-12 so how can it compare to the S-class??
> > >
> > > You mean the S-Class has no W-16, so how can it compare to the A-8?
> > > --
> > > Toby
> >
> > the A8 doesn't have a W-16 here, only the V-8
>
> the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
> it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
> honest mistake
>
> [kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
you do realize that a W-12 will never be as smooth as a V-12
05-28-2004, 07:05 PM
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Re: $74,000
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
> >it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
> >honest mistake
>
> However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.
>
> >[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> >I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
> >
>
> Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
> benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.
I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
with this config what are the true benefits??
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> >the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
> >it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
> >honest mistake
>
> However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.
>
> >[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
> >I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
> >
>
> Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
> benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.
I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
with this config what are the true benefits??
05-28-2004, 07:06 PM
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Re: $74,000
"Bram" <spamdustbin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500,
> > I see why VW/Audi is in trouble.
>
> Wow that's a frigging BARGAIN!! In the Netherlands they go for
> the equivalent of US$201k.. but than again you yanks get every
> car virtually for free so maybe $74k is considered expensive
> over there...
not expensive but it's missing a few things like V-12, snob appeal. it does
have AWD.
but I think you get a few cars we don't.
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> "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > a new A8-L stickers for $74k wow that's more than an E500,
> > I see why VW/Audi is in trouble.
>
> Wow that's a frigging BARGAIN!! In the Netherlands they go for
> the equivalent of US$201k.. but than again you yanks get every
> car virtually for free so maybe $74k is considered expensive
> over there...
not expensive but it's missing a few things like V-12, snob appeal. it does
have AWD.
but I think you get a few cars we don't.
05-29-2004, 05:30 PM
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>I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
You're potentially talking hundreds of millions of dollars in development
costs.
>with this config what are the true benefits??
It's "footprint". The VR/W configurations make the engines narrower and allows
VW/Audi to squeeze them into places were an engine that size normally would not
fit. The 2.8 Litre VR6 fitted to the Golf/GTi/Jetta is an example of this, as
is the W8 in the Passat.
You're potentially talking hundreds of millions of dollars in development
costs.
>with this config what are the true benefits??
It's "footprint". The VR/W configurations make the engines narrower and allows
VW/Audi to squeeze them into places were an engine that size normally would not
fit. The 2.8 Litre VR6 fitted to the Golf/GTi/Jetta is an example of this, as
is the W8 in the Passat.
05-31-2004, 05:14 PM
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Re: $74,000
Tha Ghee wrote:
> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040516042700.17812.00001555@mb-m16.aol.com...
>
>>>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>>>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>>>honest mistake
>>
>>However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.
>>
>>
>>>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>>>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
>>>
>>
>>Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
>>benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.
>
>
> I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
Um, why? 12 cylinders is 12 cylinders. 6 liters is 6 liters. There is
nothing inherently "better", performance-wise, about a V-layout vs. a
W-layout, and the W has advantages in terms of package size.
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> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040516042700.17812.00001555@mb-m16.aol.com...
>
>>>the A8 has or will very soon have a 12 cylinder engine in the US
>>>it should be clear that the poster of the "W-16" comment made an
>>>honest mistake
>>
>>However, a "W16" has been developed for the new Bugatti supercar.
>>
>>
>>>[kinda big and piggish, but nevertheless, it will have a 12 cylinder,
>>>I believe a "W" configuration, which is two VR6s together...]
>>>
>>
>>Yupp. It's essentially two 24 valve VR6s mated at the crank. VW found the
>>benefits of this engine years ago with the Corrado SLC.
>
>
> I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
Um, why? 12 cylinders is 12 cylinders. 6 liters is 6 liters. There is
nothing inherently "better", performance-wise, about a V-layout vs. a
W-layout, and the W has advantages in terms of package size.
--
Mike Smith
06-05-2004, 02:46 PM
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Re: $74,000
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
>
> You're potentially talking hundreds of millions of dollars in development
> costs.
>
> >with this config what are the true benefits??
>
> It's "footprint". The VR/W configurations make the engines narrower and
allows VW/Audi to squeeze them into places were an engine that size normally
would not fit. The 2.8 Litre VR6 fitted to the Golf/GTi/Jetta is an example
of this, as is the W8 in the Passat.
just take the V-12 from Lambo, and tune it for a luxo sedan.
I understand the width & length angle, but what are any benefits, between
some savings in development time, and small size. they seem to be a little
low on power compared to a "traditional" layout, and they seem to have a
little more harshness vibration.
news:20040529183009.15699.00000061@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >I think they should have ponied up a little money and made a true V-12.
>
> You're potentially talking hundreds of millions of dollars in development
> costs.
>
> >with this config what are the true benefits??
>
> It's "footprint". The VR/W configurations make the engines narrower and
allows VW/Audi to squeeze them into places were an engine that size normally
would not fit. The 2.8 Litre VR6 fitted to the Golf/GTi/Jetta is an example
of this, as is the W8 in the Passat.
just take the V-12 from Lambo, and tune it for a luxo sedan.
I understand the width & length angle, but what are any benefits, between
some savings in development time, and small size. they seem to be a little
low on power compared to a "traditional" layout, and they seem to have a
little more harshness vibration.
