a little bit of advice?
06-09-2009, 06:20 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
I see, well for now I will be investing in lowering it a bit and getting some wheels and a chip. (By the way do you think its safe buying a chipped ecu off audizine.com?)
and then intake and exhaust system + intercooler and only after this turbo upgrade and injectors.
and then intake and exhaust system + intercooler and only after this turbo upgrade and injectors.
06-10-2009, 08:18 AM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
if im not mistake, with the B5s you have to make sure the numbers match....im not 100%sure as im a B6 which is jsut a flash, but im pretty sure there is something that needs to be done when swaping out chips on B5's.
Over all your plan sounds good though.
Over all your plan sounds good though.
06-10-2009, 02:28 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
first off, what do u want first? performance or image? image you can get rims/h&r coil springs probably cost you over 1.2k.
thing is if u get your car chipped before you put an exhaust or injectors, not run as efficient as you would like your car to if u do an exhaust/injectors before chipping your car. It isn't necessary to do it like the way im putting it.. but you would be paying an additional 50-100 bucks re flashing the ecu to accommodate the new updates you put into the car.
for example our stock fuel injectors has a certain kind of fuel spray and limited amount of gas going through. if you put tt225 fuel injectors after chipped, you will be running rich fuel and not getting the boost/performance at peak performance as you would want it to.
chipping/flashing - remapping your fuel lines so they give you a better response and performance..
hope this explains why u want to put it in that order. but if u want just a little aggressiveness, id go with an exhaust then chipping it. 1+ can still run with stock fuel injectors no prob.. but more hp gain with better spray pattern which goes back to getting 225tt fuel injectors.
also, another piece of advice... after you chip your car you will most probably have some coil packs failing (common occurrence) due to the increase in performance/efficiency.. so buy 2-4 coil packs and put them in your trunk. Buy them coil packs (ignition coils) at VW dealer version type R. cheaper than audi dealerships.
thing is if u get your car chipped before you put an exhaust or injectors, not run as efficient as you would like your car to if u do an exhaust/injectors before chipping your car. It isn't necessary to do it like the way im putting it.. but you would be paying an additional 50-100 bucks re flashing the ecu to accommodate the new updates you put into the car.
for example our stock fuel injectors has a certain kind of fuel spray and limited amount of gas going through. if you put tt225 fuel injectors after chipped, you will be running rich fuel and not getting the boost/performance at peak performance as you would want it to.
chipping/flashing - remapping your fuel lines so they give you a better response and performance..
hope this explains why u want to put it in that order. but if u want just a little aggressiveness, id go with an exhaust then chipping it. 1+ can still run with stock fuel injectors no prob.. but more hp gain with better spray pattern which goes back to getting 225tt fuel injectors.
also, another piece of advice... after you chip your car you will most probably have some coil packs failing (common occurrence) due to the increase in performance/efficiency.. so buy 2-4 coil packs and put them in your trunk. Buy them coil packs (ignition coils) at VW dealer version type R. cheaper than audi dealerships.
06-10-2009, 03:36 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
thing is if u get your car chipped before you put an exhaust or injectors, not run as efficient as you would like your car to if u do an exhaust/injectors before chipping your car. It isn't necessary to do it like the way im putting it.. but you would be paying an additional 50-100 bucks re flashing the ecu to accommodate the new updates you put into the car.
my problem is that exhaust is quite expensive (most out of all the mods i want to make), so i would like to leave that for later when I am better with money.
for example our stock fuel injectors has a certain kind of fuel spray and limited amount of gas going through. if you put tt225 fuel injectors after chipped, you will be running rich fuel and not getting the boost/performance at peak performance as you would want it to.
chipping/flashing - remapping your fuel lines so they give you a better response and performance..
chipping/flashing - remapping your fuel lines so they give you a better response and performance..
does the ecu need to be reprogrammed once I change exhaust intake?!
hope this explains why u want to put it in that order. but if u want just a little aggressiveness, id go with an exhaust then chipping it. 1+ can still run with stock fuel injectors no prob.. but more hp gain with better spray pattern which goes back to getting 225tt fuel injectors.
also, another piece of advice... after you chip your car you will most probably have some coil packs failing (common occurrence) due to the increase in performance/efficiency.. so buy 2-4 coil packs and put them in your trunk. Buy them coil packs (ignition coils) at VW dealer version type R. cheaper than audi dealerships.
thanks for all this great info and advice...helps me learn at a faster rate than just looking for stuff myself...(sometimes i dont even know what to look for)
06-10-2009, 04:07 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
Buy my already moded A4... I'm in kitchener lol.. jokes :P
I got my exhaust done at A1 on fairway, $600... My turbo spools about 800 RPM sooner, sounds nice too.
I'm dropped with H&R coilovers... I did that before moving to this town... the roads here are SO &*()*ing bad, I would never lower a car here again..... Mind you I'm real low, had to raise it twice since moving here just so I can get in my underground parking without dragging.
Tint yoru windows first, lower it before rims... I put rims on mine first & it looked like a dune buggy until I lowered it.
paint your calipers.. cheapr & looks good, do clear corners.. start with the basics.
I would do exhaust before chip... cuz you wanna get the most out of your chip when you get it, and the chip needs to breeeath... to breath you need exhaust. Don't get BOV, our cars are not designed for that.
^-- my 2 cents.
Oh, and have a stage 2 clutch... I was prepping my car for power. But I haven't even chipped it yet.
I got my exhaust done at A1 on fairway, $600... My turbo spools about 800 RPM sooner, sounds nice too.
I'm dropped with H&R coilovers... I did that before moving to this town... the roads here are SO &*()*ing bad, I would never lower a car here again..... Mind you I'm real low, had to raise it twice since moving here just so I can get in my underground parking without dragging.
Tint yoru windows first, lower it before rims... I put rims on mine first & it looked like a dune buggy until I lowered it.
paint your calipers.. cheapr & looks good, do clear corners.. start with the basics.
I would do exhaust before chip... cuz you wanna get the most out of your chip when you get it, and the chip needs to breeeath... to breath you need exhaust. Don't get BOV, our cars are not designed for that.
^-- my 2 cents.
Oh, and have a stage 2 clutch... I was prepping my car for power. But I haven't even chipped it yet.
06-10-2009, 05:11 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
Apr dosent make a stage 1+ for the B5s so theres no need for injectors when you chip it. I wish they did always alittle bit more power but the 1.8t in the b5s has a diffrent fuel system setup. Theres always the route of installing a ko4 and new injectors and finding someone whos selling the aggresive ko4 tune for the b5 but i think those programs are no longer avialable.
06-10-2009, 11:30 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
Exhaust - u can get a deal from 500-1.4k depending what brand u go with and who to do it with.
it might be one of the expensive items on the list, but its one of the things you have to get. Reason being, like absolute 1.8t said, your car needs to breath, so letting out more air flow = less restrictions, more boost = more hp gain. exhaust give u an extra 10-15hp gain.. seems not much but the difference is tremendous. Also the weight of the stock exhaust is freaken heavy... what i did was go with a custom free flow exhaust.. cheaper parts and easy on the labor.. and sounds soooo aggressive when i rev this baby.
Having 2 programs will not make your stock less economical/efficient, it just that when u have oct 91 as 1 program, it'll performance a certain way.. and if u fill ur tank with oct 94.. it'll performance way more spirited because the engine is getting the juice its programmed and run for. Back to the efficient/economical, flashing will find the fastest way and most efficient way to perform better and use less time/energy/gas to respond.
tt225 - yes the fuel consumption will increase a bit, because the spray pattern is much wider and bigger.. so that your engine eats a bit more fuel to give you the power you need when u kick it down to pass someone or have a little joy ride. But because you will chip it, it will balance your fuel consumption out so that you don't run rich on fuel.. that is why IF you want new fuel injectors, you should put them in before chipping it.. otherwise the place where you chip it will charge you additionally if you put it after or with them (extra labor charges.. thats what they will do.. so do it urself before you go in to chip it).
Like i mentioned in my previous post, any addtional add on to your engine performance will most likely require a reflash on the ecu because it affects everything else and might not perform to the best to its ability. For example, its like putting a bigger turbo without flashing the ecu.. it'll get all confused of the air/power its spooling and then go to limp mode because the computer doesnt know what to do.
coil packs comes in 1 per box.. so u when you do purchase them you might as well get 4 sets.. symptoms for coil pack failure is obvious.. lights start flashing on your dashboard. It feels like air is cut off from your lungs basically. In car terms, its loss of fuel means it'll putter for more fuel cuz the coilpack is clogged.
it might be one of the expensive items on the list, but its one of the things you have to get. Reason being, like absolute 1.8t said, your car needs to breath, so letting out more air flow = less restrictions, more boost = more hp gain. exhaust give u an extra 10-15hp gain.. seems not much but the difference is tremendous. Also the weight of the stock exhaust is freaken heavy... what i did was go with a custom free flow exhaust.. cheaper parts and easy on the labor.. and sounds soooo aggressive when i rev this baby.
Having 2 programs will not make your stock less economical/efficient, it just that when u have oct 91 as 1 program, it'll performance a certain way.. and if u fill ur tank with oct 94.. it'll performance way more spirited because the engine is getting the juice its programmed and run for. Back to the efficient/economical, flashing will find the fastest way and most efficient way to perform better and use less time/energy/gas to respond.
tt225 - yes the fuel consumption will increase a bit, because the spray pattern is much wider and bigger.. so that your engine eats a bit more fuel to give you the power you need when u kick it down to pass someone or have a little joy ride. But because you will chip it, it will balance your fuel consumption out so that you don't run rich on fuel.. that is why IF you want new fuel injectors, you should put them in before chipping it.. otherwise the place where you chip it will charge you additionally if you put it after or with them (extra labor charges.. thats what they will do.. so do it urself before you go in to chip it).
Like i mentioned in my previous post, any addtional add on to your engine performance will most likely require a reflash on the ecu because it affects everything else and might not perform to the best to its ability. For example, its like putting a bigger turbo without flashing the ecu.. it'll get all confused of the air/power its spooling and then go to limp mode because the computer doesnt know what to do.
coil packs comes in 1 per box.. so u when you do purchase them you might as well get 4 sets.. symptoms for coil pack failure is obvious.. lights start flashing on your dashboard. It feels like air is cut off from your lungs basically. In car terms, its loss of fuel means it'll putter for more fuel cuz the coilpack is clogged.
06-12-2009, 09:00 AM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
Interesting thread!
One thing though: Coil Packs are the AUDI/VW version of ignition coils... as they are individual per spark-plug/cylinder, one's failure is NOT automotive meltdown!!!
However when one fails, and I have experienced that, it is heart breaking to drive.
Personally: when one failed I replaced all 4 and I kept the 3 still good (tested them too) ones in my spare-wheel well!
But they do not clogg, as they are electrical... just a "step-up" transformer!
One thing though: Coil Packs are the AUDI/VW version of ignition coils... as they are individual per spark-plug/cylinder, one's failure is NOT automotive meltdown!!!
However when one fails, and I have experienced that, it is heart breaking to drive.
Personally: when one failed I replaced all 4 and I kept the 3 still good (tested them too) ones in my spare-wheel well!
But they do not clogg, as they are electrical... just a "step-up" transformer!
06-14-2009, 10:36 PM
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Re: a little bit of advice?
Buy my already moded A4... I'm in kitchener lol.. jokes :P
I got my exhaust done at A1 on fairway, $600... My turbo spools about 800 RPM sooner, sounds nice too.
I'm dropped with H&R coilovers... I did that before moving to this town... the roads here are SO &*()*ing bad, I would never lower a car here again..... Mind you I'm real low, had to raise it twice since moving here just so I can get in my underground parking without dragging.
Tint yoru windows first, lower it before rims... I put rims on mine first & it looked like a dune buggy until I lowered it.
paint your calipers.. cheapr & looks good, do clear corners.. start with the basics.
I would do exhaust before chip... cuz you wanna get the most out of your chip when you get it, and the chip needs to breeeath... to breath you need exhaust. Don't get BOV, our cars are not designed for that.
^-- my 2 cents.
Oh, and have a stage 2 clutch... I was prepping my car for power. But I haven't even chipped it yet.
I got my exhaust done at A1 on fairway, $600... My turbo spools about 800 RPM sooner, sounds nice too.
I'm dropped with H&R coilovers... I did that before moving to this town... the roads here are SO &*()*ing bad, I would never lower a car here again..... Mind you I'm real low, had to raise it twice since moving here just so I can get in my underground parking without dragging.
Tint yoru windows first, lower it before rims... I put rims on mine first & it looked like a dune buggy until I lowered it.
paint your calipers.. cheapr & looks good, do clear corners.. start with the basics.
I would do exhaust before chip... cuz you wanna get the most out of your chip when you get it, and the chip needs to breeeath... to breath you need exhaust. Don't get BOV, our cars are not designed for that.
^-- my 2 cents.
Oh, and have a stage 2 clutch... I was prepping my car for power. But I haven't even chipped it yet.
im lowering it soon (or i might wait until after the winter)
and I am looking to do an exhaust soon...you said 600 at A1? is it with a high flow cat? what diameter down pipe?
i was looking to get a 1 piece headlight set with clear corners but i will pass for now...
Apr dosent make a stage 1+ for the B5s so theres no need for injectors when you chip it. I wish they did always alittle bit more power but the 1.8t in the b5s has a diffrent fuel system setup. Theres always the route of installing a ko4 and new injectors and finding someone whos selling the aggresive ko4 tune for the b5 but i think those programs are no longer avialable.
Exhaust - u can get a deal from 500-1.4k depending what brand u go with and who to do it with.
it might be one of the expensive items on the list, but its one of the things you have to get. Reason being, like absolute 1.8t said, your car needs to breath, so letting out more air flow = less restrictions, more boost = more hp gain. exhaust give u an extra 10-15hp gain.. seems not much but the difference is tremendous. Also the weight of the stock exhaust is freaken heavy... what i did was go with a custom free flow exhaust.. cheaper parts and easy on the labor.. and sounds soooo aggressive when i rev this baby.
it might be one of the expensive items on the list, but its one of the things you have to get. Reason being, like absolute 1.8t said, your car needs to breath, so letting out more air flow = less restrictions, more boost = more hp gain. exhaust give u an extra 10-15hp gain.. seems not much but the difference is tremendous. Also the weight of the stock exhaust is freaken heavy... what i did was go with a custom free flow exhaust.. cheaper parts and easy on the labor.. and sounds soooo aggressive when i rev this baby.
Having 2 programs will not make your stock less economical/efficient, it just that when u have oct 91 as 1 program, it'll performance a certain way.. and if u fill ur tank with oct 94.. it'll performance way more spirited because the engine is getting the juice its programmed and run for. Back to the efficient/economical, flashing will find the fastest way and most efficient way to perform better and use less time/energy/gas to respond.
tt225 - yes the fuel consumption will increase a bit, because the spray pattern is much wider and bigger.. so that your engine eats a bit more fuel to give you the power you need when u kick it down to pass someone or have a little joy ride. But because you will chip it, it will balance your fuel consumption out so that you don't run rich on fuel.. that is why IF you want new fuel injectors, you should put them in before chipping it.. otherwise the place where you chip it will charge you additionally if you put it after or with them (extra labor charges.. thats what they will do.. so do it urself before you go in to chip it).
Like i mentioned in my previous post, any addtional add on to your engine performance will most likely require a reflash on the ecu because it affects everything else and might not perform to the best to its ability. For example, its like putting a bigger turbo without flashing the ecu.. it'll get all confused of the air/power its spooling and then go to limp mode because the computer doesnt know what to do.
tt225 - yes the fuel consumption will increase a bit, because the spray pattern is much wider and bigger.. so that your engine eats a bit more fuel to give you the power you need when u kick it down to pass someone or have a little joy ride. But because you will chip it, it will balance your fuel consumption out so that you don't run rich on fuel.. that is why IF you want new fuel injectors, you should put them in before chipping it.. otherwise the place where you chip it will charge you additionally if you put it after or with them (extra labor charges.. thats what they will do.. so do it urself before you go in to chip it).
Like i mentioned in my previous post, any addtional add on to your engine performance will most likely require a reflash on the ecu because it affects everything else and might not perform to the best to its ability. For example, its like putting a bigger turbo without flashing the ecu.. it'll get all confused of the air/power its spooling and then go to limp mode because the computer doesnt know what to do.
so you are saying exhaust first (could you help me out to decide on the diameter of the downpipe or whatever else matters? keep in mind I am not planning of making a race car so I am not going to even try to make it over 300hp)
coil packs comes in 1 per box.. so u when you do purchase them you might as well get 4 sets.. symptoms for coil pack failure is obvious.. lights start flashing on your dashboard. It feels like air is cut off from your lungs basically. In car terms, its loss of fuel means it'll putter for more fuel cuz the coilpack is clogged.
me is going to buy a set this week sometime....
Interesting thread!
One thing though: Coil Packs are the AUDI/VW version of ignition coils... as they are individual per spark-plug/cylinder, one's failure is NOT automotive meltdown!!!
However when one fails, and I have experienced that, it is heart breaking to drive.
Personally: when one failed I replaced all 4 and I kept the 3 still good (tested them too) ones in my spare-wheel well!
But they do not clogg, as they are electrical... just a "step-up" transformer!
One thing though: Coil Packs are the AUDI/VW version of ignition coils... as they are individual per spark-plug/cylinder, one's failure is NOT automotive meltdown!!!
However when one fails, and I have experienced that, it is heart breaking to drive.
Personally: when one failed I replaced all 4 and I kept the 3 still good (tested them too) ones in my spare-wheel well!
But they do not clogg, as they are electrical... just a "step-up" transformer!
i like transformers....I design them every day at work...not for automotive tho...well sometimes...
anyway thanks for all the great info guys, and sorry for my odd long pauses...its work and the girlfriend along with a few other projects that I am working on that are keeping me busy....
